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Post by Toecutter » Sun Jul 20, 2003 4:54 pm

Well, on the other hand - there is no reason the religious controversy should stop the creators. This just depends on what the creators want to do. There is no law against controversial religious references, rather a law for them - aka freedom of speech.

There is a thing called Political Correctness though. Time will tell if it becomes a factor.

In reality, the movie (I think) could actually emphasize the 'controversy' as a publicity stunt, to its' own advantage.
I don't know. Think about all the so-called atheists who got all bent out of shape about the ending to Bruce Allmighty, and that was just meant as an It's a Wonderful Life ending, with the religious stuff as a medium.

It really pisses me off when atheists try to pull the whole filibustering and litigation crap because they're too anti-American to want their kids to say the pledge, or they're covering their true agendas. True, I hate Christians, but I'm not going to stomp all over their freedom to fuck up their own lives believing in some imaginary diety, as long as they don't try to convert me.
with todays CGI the evas might look (dare i say it?) better!
Then again it all depends on the budget etc...

I don't hold out much hope for this or any of the other anime LA movies.
CGI is just a crappy new tool to replace the tried and true method of scale models. You can't tell me the CGI CS-101 endoskeletons, or the damaged Arnold from T3 looked as good or better than the make-up effects and animatronics done in T2 by Stan Winston. Do you realize the majority of the T-1000 effects were actually done with animatronics and molded apendages? A great example was the classic "doughnut head", which Stan Winston made using a plaster cast of Robert Patrick's face, and other reference pictures. Even the bullet holes the T-1000 took during the Pescadero State Hospital sequences were done on-site.

Stan Winston needs to do the creature effects for the Angels, Evas, and I bet he could do a really good job with all of Rei's clones, and the entry-plug system. He's proven himself in The Terminator, Aliens, Preadator, and of course Terminator 2.
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Post by Saeth1 » Sun Jul 20, 2003 6:55 pm

as for the religious refrences - you have to keep in mind that the evangelion series was made for a japanese audience. In japan only about 2% of the population is christian, so the refrences were most likely in there only to add to the mysticism of the series.

since the movie is being made for an american audience, perhaps the director will reverse this and use bhuddist or shinto as a mysticism ;)


as for music and actors, who knows

if they f00k up rei imma be pissed tho :p

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Post by aidari » Sun Jul 20, 2003 6:58 pm

What is this movie going to be caleld any way and wwhere can i find info on it i must know any live action would be cool jut to see the evas in a real type setting and i DO wondere if shinji is still going ot go through all of that odd interrogation crap. anyway if they do a good job it would be nice. oh and i have to yell something IF THE MESS UP REI AT ALL I WILL KILL EVERYBODY WHO MADE THE MOVIE


P.S. where doe sthis movie fit in before or after end of evangelion?

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Post by aidari » Sun Jul 20, 2003 7:07 pm

AND REI HAD BETTER HAVE BLUE HAIR!!!!!!!!! oh and maybe they will use the rei personality from the last episode. you know the one im talking about. you know the one where she says that thing to asuka about shinji? oh screw it ill just tell you: Rei: Are you riding his balogna pony? (to asuka)

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Post by Shun » Sun Jul 20, 2003 7:08 pm

Toecutter wrote:
Well, on the other hand - there is no reason the religious controversy should stop the creators. This just depends on what the creators want to do. There is no law against controversial religious references, rather a law for them - aka freedom of speech.

There is a thing called Political Correctness though. Time will tell if it becomes a factor.

In reality, the movie (I think) could actually emphasize the 'controversy' as a publicity stunt, to its' own advantage.
I don't know. Think about all the so-called atheists who got all bent out of shape about the ending to Bruce Allmighty, and that was just meant as an It's a Wonderful Life ending, with the religious stuff as a medium.

It really pisses me off when atheists try to pull the whole filibustering and litigation crap because they're too anti-American to want their kids to say the pledge, or they're covering their true agendas. True, I hate Christians, but I'm not going to stomp all over their freedom to fuck up their own lives believing in some imaginary diety, as long as they don't try to convert me.
with todays CGI the evas might look (dare i say it?) better!
Then again it all depends on the budget etc...

I don't hold out much hope for this or any of the other anime LA movies.
CGI is just a crappy new tool to replace the tried and true method of scale models. You can't tell me the CGI CS-101 endoskeletons, or the damaged Arnold from T3 looked as good or better than the make-up effects and animatronics done in T2 by Stan Winston. Do you realize the majority of the T-1000 effects were actually done with animatronics and molded apendages? A great example was the classic "doughnut head", which Stan Winston made using a plaster cast of Robert Patrick's face, and other reference pictures. Even the bullet holes the T-1000 took during the Pescadero State Hospital sequences were done on-site.

Stan Winston needs to do the creature effects for the Angels, Evas, and I bet he could do a really good job with all of Rei's clones, and the entry-plug system. He's proven himself in The Terminator, Aliens, Preadator, and of course Terminator 2.
Well i highly doubt the evas will be makeup :lol:

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Post by TallonKarrde23 » Sun Jul 20, 2003 7:09 pm

asuka will have green hair, rei will have blonde hair and shinji will have purple hair with red highlights.... --;; that'd be...odd. I plan on just buying copies of the movie to light on fire, not watch --;
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Post by aidari » Sun Jul 20, 2003 7:13 pm

IF THEY HAVE A MAN IN A COSTUME FOR THE EVAS I WILL KILL THE DIRECTOR USING UM UM UM A PROGRESSIVE KNIFE YEAH THAT WILL WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by TallonKarrde23 » Sun Jul 20, 2003 7:22 pm

or a katana. --;
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Post by TallonKarrde23 » Sun Jul 20, 2003 7:23 pm

it'll most likely be cg if anything, the eva's that is. --;
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Post by Toecutter » Sun Jul 20, 2003 7:23 pm

As for actors/actresses to play the main characters:

•Max Von Sydow as Fuyutsuki (I was thinking Edward Mulhare or Lee Marvin would be cool, but they're dead)

•Michael Ironside or Tim Curry as Gendo Ikari

•Johnathan Frakes as Kaji (he could do an okay Gendo, but he's far better as a smooth talking, businessman type, like his voice actor role in "Gargoyles").

•Thora Birch as Asuka. Granted, she's not a red-head, but her performance in "Ghost World" proves she could pull off the whole bitchy, psycho Kraut chick.

• or Samantha Morton (Agatha the pre-cog from "Minority Report") as Rei. Someone mentioned this earlier. Unfortunately, she'd be 27 or 28 by the time they started pre-production (she was born in '77), so she wouldn't be anywhere close age-wise, and therefore my second choice. However, she could also be a pretty good Misato.
Anywho, I wonder how the battle scenes with the eva's will look like, will it look like something from a Godzilla vs King Ghidora movie, or will it actually look like something worth watching?
I've been thinking about this lately. The whole concept of hand-to-hand combat in giant robots or monsters is pretty pathetic. If you've got something that big fighting something else that big, the only place that would be decent for that kind of combat would be Kansas or Nebraska (out in the middle of some giant, flat plains). Combat chassis that size aren't practical for sniping, camping, or other forms of stationary bombardment. If the Angels could be easily defeated by camping Evas, NERV could spend far less by using towed and self-propelled artillery, using the simulation Eva bodies (the immobile ones in Terminal Dogma used for synch-ratio testing) to generate the AT-fields.

The most effective form of combat for the Evas, and the Angels, would be something similar to the hybridized hand-to-hand and dogfight combat seen in the several Macross OAV's. You've got a highly maneuverable mecha, which can traverse any given environment, and engage an enemy at supersonic speeds, while being able to fight relatively well at subsonic and transonic speeds.

If they're going to portray Eva combat in this new movie, they have to show the Evangelions using permanently mounted 20 and 30mm DU gatling guns (i.e., the General Electric 20mm Vulcan, or the M-134 mini-gun in 7.62mm NATO). The pallet guns, and other human-based weapons (ex: prog knives, sniper rifles, etc) don't make sense, when a far superior weapons system can be incorporated into the binders, and wired through the Eva's nervous system/entry plug system. The weapons systems can be rigged with explosive bolts, allowing the pilot to jettison the excess weight when he/she runs out of ammo. This system would also allow different weapons packages to be developed as armor-plated modules, which can be easily swapped in the Cage/Terminal Dogma (something like the Liger system as seen on "Zoids").

The actual combat would greatly resemble modern dogfighting at transonic speeds, and the mobile warfare perfected by General Patton, and practiced today with the M1-A1 Abrams tank (which can shoot while travelling at 60 mph). The Evas would have the advantage of fighting on home-turf (Tokyo-3), so the pilots would know how to apply the environment to their mobile warfare most effectively. The best strategy for the Evas to win against the Angels, would be to keep moving, using their knowledge of the terrain, weapons caches, and the Eva's mobility for close range combat. Meanwhile, using the Evas' AT-field to cancel-out the AT-fields of the Angels, long range towed artillery (such as the 175mm Howitzer) fired from bunkers and pillboxes surrounding the hillsides of Tokyo-3 would pummel the Angels.

Therefore, the Evas would only serve as a destraction, taking a tactically defensive role against the Angels, while the long range towed artillery (aircraft-based systems would present too great a danger to the pilots, given their lack of protection, and close proximity to the Angels) finished them off. However, as the Angels become more bizzare, such as the 5th Angel, the Evas would take on the offensive role (this is where Misato's hair-brained, last-ditch effort strategies come in during the movie, which would offer the screenwriters a chance to expand her character, and show the Earth-shattering war of attrition NERV is fighting against the Angels).
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