5 least favorite animes?

[Toecutter]

*Gundam SEED DESTINY
If you ever need proof of the old axiom 'Too many cooks spoil the broth' this is a classic example.
The show started out seeming like it could go places...then, somewhere after the first batch of episodes, the GAce fanlistings came out. With these, the studio was prettymuch put at the mercy of what the fans wanted...on everything...as a result, it turned from Gundam SEED DESTINY, a 'could work' followup to a series that had room for improvement...and turned into 'The Kira Yamato and Lacus Clyne Super Peacetime Power Half-Hour.' Any sense of planned storytelling went out the window and the show became so badly rushed on the fly, they had to make an extended version of the final episode in order to tie up the loose ends (...and even that was a pretty bad job of it)

I whole-heartedly concur. I was actually rooting for ZAFT and Shinn in the series. The whole reason the second war started up in that series is because Lacus Clyne and Kira Yamato fucked the whole world over. "Yes, let's drag out the war by fighting BOTH SIDES at the same time, and simply throwing all alliances to the wind." In effect, what they caused was World War III without the comfort of knowing who your enemies were.

And of course, it's Clyne in the series that wears the pants in the relationship. Kira needs to seriously grow a pair, or work at an abortion clinic.

I have yet to see a Gundam series where the main protagonist is smart enough to get the HELL away from the seductive yet manipulative female lead. Every time the guy falls for the girl in Gundam, his career is ruined, and he usually ends up court-martialed (0083: Stardust Memory), permanently crippled (08th MS Team), or killed (0080: War in the Pocket). Even in the case of Gundam Wing, the fate is far worse. You can't tell me Relena is worth it, no matter how good she gives head.

[PyscoPill]

I must admit you are being abit harsh on YuGiOh, it was an alright series.
oh and i agree on the DBGT thing. it sucks. Goku looked cute though when he was a kid.

All time worst anime for me was Sailor Moon. i thought it would be about Girls ruling over boys and saving the world. but no dice here. the plot was see through and the english voice overs really didnt do it any justice.

Plus also all the kids anime shows suck 2: Digimon, Pokemon, Duel Monters.

[jedikv]

The following are anime that i not necessarily hate but have some sort of dislike

5) Yu-Gi-Oh (english dubbed) - It started of interesting with the pegasus saga but heavy censorship and filler have ruined it.

4) Beyblade - they should have stopped at least after the end of of season 2

3) Digimon - I could never get into it, I was more of a pokemon person (i know that they were not alike)

2) All hentai - i dont see the facination with it (im not a porno guy myself), some to the storylines are so stupid IMHO

1) One Piece - The western dub of that is just truly, truly awful. Read the manga or watch the original japanese version.

As for anime like DB/Z/GT watch the japanese subbed version or the manga, i found them to be more interesting than the westernized version which are just bastardized for the biggest market (4-15 year olds)

[EmilLang1000]

My Top 5 Least Favorite:

5 - Naruto. I like the Manga, I hate the show; and not because the dubs sucks, the dub just makes people realize HOW BAD IT REALLY IS, because they can finally understand, without reading, what they're saying.

4 - The original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross. I've yet to see the dub, so this may change, but when I got the first few episodes, beleiving that it would be better than Robotech: The Macross Saga, I was sorely dissappointed. Like Star Trek, many amazing shows and movies came of it, and its universe of is incredible, but the original is TERRIBLE. Horrible music, when there is any (at key times when there should be there is none), all the characters are Japanese (of course, the Japanese are the ONLY people worldwide capable of understanding and wielding alien technology - I've yet to see them land on the moon), and the Zentraedi and Maltraedi appear near earth JUST BECAUSE THEY DO... NO backstory given, or motivation, or ANYTHING.

3 - Dragonball GT. Continued a story Toriyama wanted dead a LONG time ago, and just made it worse (purple fur is SSJ4!? F__K THAT). Remake the original up to the end of the Cell Saga, where Gokuu's dead, Gohan's God, and Vejiita says he'll never fight again, and let that be that.

2 - Anything made to sell toys. The first two seasons of Pokemon (heavily character-driven), YuGiOh, and YuGiOh Duel Monsters are the exception (YGO and YGODM was made BEFORE the cards, and were based off of the manga, which came up with new games for itself that were never meant to be real). The worst of these transgressors, though: Newer Pokemon episodes, Duel Masters, and Battle B-Damon (I don't even care if I spelled that correctly). Transformers and GI Joe at least had decent stories, people, even Care Bears and My Little Pony Tails!

1 - Super Milk Chan. Sorry, but anything THAT stupid and that requires you to have a degree in Japanese Pop Culture and Society in order to fully understand all the jokes, is not worth your time. South Park completely rules over it.

[SuperFusion]

not because the dubs sucks, the dub just makes people realize HOW BAD IT REALLY IS, because they can finally understand, without reading, what they're saying.

That has to be the smartest thing I've ever read when it comes to dubs.

[EmilLang1000]

Mayhaps I wasn't exactly clear. I meant that people can understand the underlying messages of the phrases, because it's in a language they can understand naturally and without having to read and comprehend what they've just read. Things read may sound interesting, but when you actually HEAR it yourself you realize how stupid and ill-concieved it really is (and, yes, I'm speaking of myself as well on this one ).

[Heero_Yuy84]

4 - The original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross. I've yet to see the dub, so this may change, but when I got the first few episodes, beleiving that it would be better than Robotech: The Macross Saga, I was sorely dissappointed. Like Star Trek, many amazing shows and movies came of it, and its universe of is incredible, but the original is TERRIBLE. Horrible music, when there is any (at key times when there should be there is none), all the characters are Japanese (of course, the Japanese are the ONLY people worldwide capable of understanding and wielding alien technology - I've yet to see them land on the moon), and the Zentraedi and Maltraedi appear near earth JUST BECAUSE THEY DO... NO backstory given, or motivation, or ANYTHING.

Re: Everyone being Japanese - Actually...memory serves, Claudia LaSalle and Roy Focker were both still Americans in the Japanese...similarly, Bruno J. Global was Italian (...do we have any idea why RT decided to make him Russian?)
Hell...I'm prettysure Minmay and Kaifun were supposed to be Chinese to boot

Re Zentraedi motivation: Again, memory serves (this could be wrong, it's been a while since I saw the series) didn't they make it clear they had detected the Macross ship (remember, as far as the Zentraedi were concerned, they were still at war.) This further being reinforced by the fact the ship was (as Global himself deems it) booby-trapped...the original crew knew the Zentraedi would come looking for them eventually and acted accordingly.
(BTW, the term 'Meltrandi' was never used in the original series...both males and females were considered Zentraedi...the gender difference wasn't introduced until DYRL)

Also, you have to remember RT had one advantage over Macross in terms of storytelling...
The Macross creators were forced to work on the fly throughout the making of the series due to the fact their funding kept getting cut out under them (which shows when the animation goes to Hell in some parts)
Initially the show was going to be much longer than it turned out to be...then they got cut down to ending after the battle with Bodolza, then they were able to negotiate their way to the 36 we have now...

So they were in a challenging spot as pacing some of this went

RT, meanwhile, already had the series setup for them...they just had to make the appropriate tweaks to fit it to the other two series.

[EmilLang1000]

Yes, I will admit that Global, Roy, and Claudia were all of European descent; I'll even give you Max - though I don't remember where exactly he came from. Still, though, the majority of the cast was still Japanese; my qualm is that Robotech went beyond this and actually established a vastly more multi-cultural cast (and as for making Global Russian? I'd imagine it's because not only does he LOOK Russian - he's identical to my best friend's father - but Bruno sounds like more of a Russian name than Italian).

Now, as for motivation of the Zentraedi... can you say Deus Ex Machina? A starship that just happened to be the ultimate weapon to defeat them, and was boobytrapped to attack them, crashlands on earth, where they just happen to detect it. They came in simply to investigate a temporal anomoly, and BOOM, happen to find the Macross and want to take it as their own (which could be explained by any number of astronomic). Albeit they allude to the Protoculture having created it possibly, they never do much with that.

Now, as for how they fixed this problem: The movies Macross: Do You Remember Love? and Macross II. The first did well to explain that the Zentraedi, Maltraedi, and humans were all created by a Protoculture, and the second goes even farther - explaining that that culture, the Marduk, created The Macross (in their language, the Alus) to be used by their Zentraedi as a way to combat other factions' Zentraedi.

Again, the original Macross was pretty bad, regardless of costs, etc., yet somehow spawned amazing sequels. The problems with the original show have basically been fixed through retconning, but that doesn't mean I still don't look at it and think "Robotech really brought out it's nearly-lost potential."

[Heero_Yuy84]

Yes, I will admit that Global, Roy, and Claudia were all of European descent; I'll even give you Max - though I don't remember where exactly he came from. Still, though, the majority of the cast was still Japanese; my qualm is that Robotech went beyond this and actually established a vastly more multi-cultural cast (and as for making Global Russian? I'd imagine it's because not only does he LOOK Russian - he's identical to my best friend's father - but Bruno sounds like more of a Russian name than Italian).

Well, considering they changed his name to Henry Gloval when they made him Russian, the Bruno argument tech. doesn't work. (Although, from what poking around I'm seeing, it actually IS an Italian name.)
That said...how exactly did RT diversify the cast? The only changes they did were making Global a Russian and making all of Skull Squadron Americans (you could argue for other countries maybe, but it's pretty safe to assume with names like Rick Hunter and Ben Dixon they were aiming for Hikaru and Kakizaki to be American.)

Now, as for motivation of the Zentraedi... can you say Deus Ex Machina? A starship that just happened to be the ultimate weapon to defeat them, and was boobytrapped to attack them, crashlands on earth, where they just happen to detect it. They came in simply to investigate a temporal anomoly, and BOOM, happen to find the Macross and want to take it as their own (which could be explained by any number of astronomic). Albeit they allude to the Protoculture having created it possibly, they never do much with that.

When in the series is it ever said it's the ultimate weapon? The ship was never meant to be the super weapon, if anything could be called that, it was the music. The Macross itself was a stray weapon from a since-concluded war the Zentraedi didn't realize was over. Review the first episodes of the series, Britai and Exedore were following its signal, this wasn't just a wrong place, wrong time encounter.

Now, as for how they fixed this problem: The movies Macross: Do You Remember Love? and Macross II. The first did well to explain that the Zentraedi, Maltraedi, and humans were all created by a Protoculture, and the second goes even farther - explaining that that culture, the Marduk, created The Macross (in their language, the Alus) to be used by their Zentraedi as a way to combat other factions' Zentraedi.

1. DYRL, good movie as it is, fixed jack diddly. The movie was supposed to be a movie 'filmed' in the Macross universe, as such, any answers it offers are purely speculative for the movie-going experience (hence the completely random war between the Zentraedi and Meltraedi...they needed a quick way to write LapLamiz and Quamzin off without going into the reconstruction, so they had Quamzin die fighting Roy and LapLamiz get wiped out by Bodolza)
2. Thanks to Shoji Kawamori, Macross II isn't a part of the main timeline. They made the movie without his OK, so it's since been basically ruled as an AU.

[oldwrench]

Not a lot that I don't like.

#5: Pokemon, Yugi oh and the like: good for kids, not for me.

#4: Exel Saga: Hurt my ears, and if I can't make out half of what the main character says it's junk.

#3: Garzey'S Wing: Aaaarrrggghh, I thought no anime could be worse, poor story, poor graphics, horrendous dub, ends nowhere, I hate that.

#2: Yes, something can be worse, Super Milk Chan: Why do they insult our intelligence with assinine crap like this, and waste time that could be used for something decent. No story, no humor, no decent artwork, is there anything to recommend this piece of s... ?

#1: Bobobobobo......: See #2 but with more gross stupidity. I would watch American cartoons long before I would subject myself to this garbage again. The only thing I could compare it to is the other crap Cartoon Network puts on Sunday Nights.