Cartoon Network,... WTF!!! They cant do this!!

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 11:39 am

And on your side note, I've seen them edit stuff like that anyway. you'll already know soujiou had a bad past trhough shishio telling you about it. I mean recent examples of them not showing it, you just kinda know is like Blade. They cut out whistler (I know I didn't spell it right) when blade found him, except one little shot where he was on the right side of the screen. You knew something happen to him, just didn't know how bad. But that seemed kinda odd since they still showed all the cheesy blood exploding scenes at the end.

Regardless of is Shishio tells you about it. It's one thing to have someone tell you something and another to see/experience it. For me, Soujirou's flashback and fight (both internal and against Kenshin) is the most powerful moment in Kenshin. It's debateable that it's the climax of the show (Soujirou was quite a bit more popular than any other Kenshin Character in Japan). To not include his backstory is to essentially not include him in the story. Same goes for Anji since he has a similar violent/questionable content past. I can see what you're saying, but essentially to hack out all of that in the show is (to me) to pretty much not show the show (at least in it's true form).

For me, I don't care about CN, cause I stopped watching it. I don't like commericals, I also don't like the english voices for the kenshin series. I'm not worried about other people watching it, if it gets them into anime, isn't that a good thing? If that's what you are concerned about. They'll learn on their own.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with the voices, censoring, etc. I for one am a purist/elitist or whatever you want to call it. I also do like the fact that CN has brought a lot more people into the anime fandom. Like you said, they'll get into it at least and they'll figure it out. However, I guess the reason I am a bit more passionate about this show is that it's one of my favorite shows and to take out the things they will...you make the show a mediocre show about a Samurai protecting people (how cliche' is that?). I guess I'm just trying to vent my flames since I for one hate when I see one of my fav. shows get butched. Also...I hate to say it, but a lot of people aren't "figuring" it out and are still watching dubs. Then again, live and let live (If only they knew the power of the dark side).

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 12:23 pm

dwchang wrote:
And on your side note, I've seen them edit stuff like that anyway. you'll already know soujiou had a bad past trhough shishio telling you about it. I mean recent examples of them not showing it, you just kinda know is like Blade. They cut out whistler (I know I didn't spell it right) when blade found him, except one little shot where he was on the right side of the screen. You knew something happen to him, just didn't know how bad. But that seemed kinda odd since they still showed all the cheesy blood exploding scenes at the end.
Regardless of is Shishio tells you about it. It's one thing to have someone tell you something and another to see/experience it. For me, Soujirou's flashback and fight (both internal and against Kenshin) is the most powerful moment in Kenshin. It's debateable that it's the climax of the show (Soujirou was quite a bit more popular than any other Kenshin Character in Japan). To not include his backstory is to essentially not include him in the story. Same goes for Anji since he has a similar violent/questionable content past. I can see what you're saying, but essentially to hack out all of that in the show is (to me) to pretty much not show the show (at least in it's true form).

I kinda figured from the avatar soujiou was your favorite and anyone who loves soujirou will love episode 54-56. 55 especially. He's my fav too.

(however I'm as to the strongest in the entire series I wanna say hiko is the strongest) Anyway, yes I agree, cutting out alot of that stuff sucks, that's why i won't bother watching CN. You have to see everything that boy goes through and then you can feel the emotion at the end of that episode when he says "back then..you didn't protect me (save me)" Not exact, but best I can take off the top of my head. what's your favorite part of that fight? if I may ask. Mine's when soujirou gets back up in episode 56, ( use to be able to recite it...me thinks I need to watch it again, tonight) but then cuts up the floor and prepares to do his ultimate attack. I loved that part so much. And I don't care what anyone says, had he not been emotional confused, kenshin would have been a dead dog.

I didn't care for Anji though. I can also see what you mean with that being the climax. Alot of things happened in kyoto, best fights to me. That fight between Aoshi and kenshin was better then the first to me. And also can't forget Saitoh and Kenshin, I just thought it was awesome that they kept proving big mouthed Sano wrong. Cause he's basically still a rookie compared to the real master. I won't deny his skill though. Another good moment is when Yahiko beats bat man (didn't care to remember his name). Or Kaoru breaks her hilt over Kamatiri's(sp?) skin. Hiko...ok, I can keep going and I'm going to stop. but Soujirou is my favorite and I love his episodes the best.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 12:50 pm

**********MAJOR KENSHIN SPOILERS IN THIS POST**********

however I'm as to the strongest in the entire series I wanna say hiko is the strongest

Of course. My personal ranking would be:
1) Hiko Seijiro - no debate, he took out a freaking Eva...I mean Fuji. He can also take Kenshin down EASILY.
2) Shishio Makoto - Well, this is a stupid thing to say, but he *was* technically stronger before he burned up. It's apparent that Kenshin is just barely fending off his attack (when Shishio surpasses his maximum limit).
3) Seta Soujirou - I could debateably say that he's stronger than Shishio since Shishio probably couldn't even see where he is attacking from (just like Kenshin), but he also respects Shishio and probably thinks he is weaker...and therefore will be weaker. This is obviously Soujirou before he goes crazy. Soujioru emotionless is the perfect killer.
4) Enishi - If you've read the Manga, you can see how easily Enishi defeats Kenshin (even the ultimate technique). I would put him higher, but the only reason he is so good is because of the revenge plot. I don't think he would have the same sort of motivation against any other opponent (and thus not as strong).
5) Himura Kenshin - Does anyone else find it strange the main character is the 5th strongest character in the show? It of course makes it more interesting since he needs hardships, but I hate it when people just blatantly spout out that Kenshin is a badass and can kick anyone's ass. I think the fight with Saitoh proves this false.

You have to see everything that boy goes through and then you can feel the emotion at the end of that episode when he says "back then..you didn't protect me (save me)" Not exact, but best I can take off the top of my head. what's your favorite part of that fight? if I may ask.

Funny you ask. This is another thread that I posted (about favorite moments). The saying you mentioned (below) is my favorite moment in the entire show (Episode 55):

"Ano toki anata wa...boku o mamode kurunakatanjanai desukara. Anata ga tadashitoyunara...nande mamode kurunankotodesu?"

"That night....you didn't protect me at all. If you really speak the truth, why didn't you protect me?!?!"

I love this moment! Although Soujirou isn't really say Kenshin had to physicall be there, he is blaming Kenshin's philosophy of protecting the weak and how that philosophy didn't protect him. Only Shishio's philosophy of the strongest survive, the weak die.

And I don't care what anyone says, had he not been emotional confused, kenshin would have been a dead dog.

(nod nod) Kenshin and his stupid mind-emotional mumbo jumbo. No question, Soujirou is a more talented swordsman. He even slashed Kenshin three or four times (had plenty of times to kill him). He "slightly" missed because he was distracted mentally. Hell, his name, Tenken means of the heavens (or "natural" style). They don't go into this that much, but Soujirou has natural swordsmanship. If you recall, he murdered his family (which was armed) without any formal training. Shishio also mentions that Soujirou knew "Shuku-chi" (Folding Ground) without knowing what it was. One word: BADASS!

I didn't care for Anji though

The reason I like him is that he's developed fairly well. The first time we see him (training Sano), we come to like him. At the end of the episode, Soujirou comes to pick him up for Shishio's conquest. The viewer is left in shock and the feeling that Sano and Anji will meet again (on less friendly terms). Now Anji's not a badass like Saitoh (few people are), but he's a lot more interesting. Don't get me wrong, Saitoh is one of my favorite characters (purely b/c he is one of the coolest characters ever), but he is very one-dimensional: He's a badass...that's it. Anji has a backstory and motivations. The viewer sympathizes with him (like Soujirou) and I tend to remember those characters.

And also can't forget Saitoh and Kenshin, I just thought it was awesome that they kept proving big mouthed Sano wrong.

Yes, these episodes (which begin the Kyoto Arc), bring into perspective that Kenshin isn't "all that." Saitoh names countless times Kenshin has failed his loved ones and that he could've killed them all. The moment when he stabs Kenshin (all the way through) is the big shocker (and an excellent cliffhanger. The only one bigger IMHO is in Escaflowne...won't say since ppl may not have seen it).

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 12:54 pm

I love this moment! Although Soujirou isn't really say Kenshin had to physicall be there, he is blaming Kenshin's philosophy of protecting the weak and how that philosophy didn't protect him. Only Shishio's philosophy of the strongest survive, the weak die.

Forgot to mention a few things. Have you listened to the music in this scene? The violin fortes and upwards flows go perfectly with the conversation and sword strikes. Also the tone of his voice is excellent. I've heard the dub track on this and GOD NO!!!! Turned the best scene in the show into a laughable comedy. If you don't know what I'm talking about, re-watch the scene and just try and tell me it isn't excellent art, music, conversation, etc. The sub..not that dub btw.

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 1:43 pm

dwchang wrote:
I love this moment! Although Soujirou isn't really say Kenshin had to physicall be there, he is blaming Kenshin's philosophy of protecting the weak and how that philosophy didn't protect him. Only Shishio's philosophy of the strongest survive, the weak die.
Forgot to mention a few things. Have you listened to the music in this scene? The violin fortes and upwards flows go perfectly with the conversation and sword strikes. Also the tone of his voice is excellent. I've heard the dub track on this and GOD NO!!!! Turned the best scene in the show into a laughable comedy. If you don't know what I'm talking about, re-watch the scene and just try and tell me it isn't excellent art, music, conversation, etc. The sub..not that dub btw.

I've only seen the subbed, I heard 4 seconds of the dub and deleted what I had on my computer. And Yes I know what you mean with the violin (favorite classic instrument), adds to the entire feel. I'm amazed you could watch the dubbed version though, bleh

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 1:59 pm

I'm amazed you could watch the dubbed version though, bleh

Well like they say...curiousity kills the cat...or in this case my ears.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:52 am

Dude, Kracus, you don't know me at all.

Ask people around the board if I seem at al religous, do you think curse words mean anything to me? I don't use them in a tone of anger or "yelling" they're just parts of my vocabulary.

You asked why, I gave you the in depth answer you're looking for. If you don't want it, it's your choice not to read it.

This doens't change the fact none of regard your opinions or statements tho as any value.

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 5:45 am

Jace Tsunami wrote:Dude, Kracus, you don't know me at all.

Ask people around the board if I seem at al religous, do you think curse words mean anything to me? I don't use them in a tone of anger or "yelling" they're just parts of my vocabulary.

You asked why, I gave you the in depth answer you're looking for. If you don't want it, it's your choice not to read it.

This doens't change the fact none of regard your opinions or statements tho as any value.

Look, buddy, I don't care who you are, I wasn't talking to you and I didn't start cursing you out. So if you feel the need to go around and police the boards, do it with someone else.

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 6:03 am

Also I wasn't mentioning the curse words as having anything to do with religion. Shows how much you know. Your vocab is screwed then. You can't go around cursing everyone out cause it's "part of your vocab". I'm sure you don't. And you didn't in your last post and that's why I read it.

MegaMouth · Post by **MegaMouth** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 6:49 am

You're all a bunch of dumb fucks. Cartoon Network doesn't edit shit. All the editing is done by the manufacturers of the animes, not the network that plays them. True, they MUST be censored to play it on t.v., but don't go half cocked blaming the wrong people just cuz you are too fucking lazy to go research the truth.
With that out of the way, I shall give an opinion:
WHO CARES ABOUT THE FUCKING EDITED VERSION OVER THE REAL ONE?!?!?!? Big fucking deal! You miss cussing, the occasional semi-contraversial statement and any sex scenes. THE STORY IS STILL THERE!!! Someone should find any of you that wussed and wined and cock slap your face.