Evangelion Prequel and other eva stuff

lafayette · Post by **lafayette** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 6:40 am

AtomicWeezleman wrote:The production model, does look sweet!

pity i can't get it in the UK..........yet.

On the subject of eva toys, anyone seen the soap dishes?

oh you can my fat little friend, well not for some time as you`ll have missed the previews order date

but i didn`t

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 10:52 am

lafayette wrote:
dwchang wrote:Eva Spoilers (obviusly)

Was it inserting the longinous lance into the first angel (adam) that caused the second impact?
The Spear of Longinus was inserted into LILITH (not Adam). Kaoru says specifically "Lilith" when he reaches the central dogma, since he was tricked.

As for 2nd Impact, this occurred when Man tried to harness the power of the first angel (debateably the second since I've heard Lilith is first) Adam by condensing him into the embryo form (seen in Episode 7 when Kaji delivers Adam to Gendo). The release of all that energy is what caused 2nd impact.

Geez I know too much about Eva. I'm fairly sure these are correct and not some speculative thing like half of the other things on the internet about Eva (like what it's about, what happens, next etc.).

Daniel ^_^
Ninja Gaijin Productions

just like to say that we dont know if the spear of longinus was in adam at the 2nd impact, we only know that it was put in to lilith when they recovered it from the dead sea,

I wasn't implying that. I was correcting the previous response. I don't believe the Spear has anything to do with Adam. Only Lilith. Unless that was directed at the previous post.

Daniel ^_^
Ninja Gaijin Productions

lafayette · Post by **lafayette** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 11:27 am

the adam and the spear thing was at the start of the thead, (^_^;)

Chaos Angel · Post by **Chaos Angel** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 11:43 am

I have naught but this to say.

Eva, IMHO, does not need a prequel. It's fine the way it is. It didn't even need the movies (the series ending was perfectly fine by me), and I do need to take some time and try to find those death threats in EoE. And watch the commentary version.

UncleMilo, your comment on the Eva's being designed to resemble the children of Lilith intrigues me. Is there a similar reason that you know of for why Eva 03 has elastic arms, and Eva 04 is destroyed at the moment of activation?

iserlohn wrote:No, ADV has not announced that they are licensing the new masters, and it is doubtful that they will.

Damn them... ::sniff::

BTW, is it just me, or do Eva-themed threads seem to attract a shitload of traffic?

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 12:47 pm

Eva, IMHO, does not need a prequel. It's fine the way it is. It didn't even need the movies (the series ending was perfectly fine by me), and I do need to take some time and try to find those death threats in EoE. And watch the commentary version.

(nod nod) Yay! I'm not in the minority by liking episodes 25 and 26

UncleMilo, your comment on the Eva's being designed to resemble the children of Lilith intrigues me. Is there a similar reason that you know of for why Eva 03 has elastic arms, and Eva 04 is destroyed at the moment of activation

I believe he is referring to the fact that Eva's 00 - 02 resemble demons in Jewish mythology (perhaps?). Eva00 has one eye, Eva01 has a horn and Eva02 has four eyes. These are characteritics of three specific demon lords (or so I hear). Perhaps what I am referring to are children of Lilith and not demons though (again...not positive on all this) since that would make sense with the story and how the Evas were created.

Daniel ^_^
Ninja Gaijin Productions

lafayette · Post by **lafayette** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 2:13 pm

dwchang wrote: (nod nod) Yay! I'm not in the minority by liking episodes 25 and 26

all i can say is, YAY, i loved the tv ending to eva, it was so happy, but it was all so nice to see a different ending (the moive), but i think the tv ending wasn`t really an ending as think 25 and 26 all happens in shijn`s head when sat in eva 1 at the end of the movie, and because he fines out that he doesn`t need the evas he stops being in the 3rd impact because he wants to live his life, well its just a guess what do you lot think?

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 2:37 pm

all i can say is, YAY, i loved the tv ending to eva, it was so happy, but it was all so nice to see a different ending (the moive), but i think the tv ending wasn`t really an ending as think 25 and 26 all happens in shijn`s head when sat in eva 1 at the end of the movie, and because he fines out that he doesn`t need the evas he stops being in the 3rd impact because he wants to live his life, well its just a guess what do you lot think?

My understanding is that Episode 25/26 is occuring in *everyones* head (since it is instrumentality) and as you mentioned this is seen in the movie as well (they're one and the same).

However, the movie takes it further and shows, physically, that Shinji comes back to Earth to live his life (regardless of if interacting with people can cause pain, the hedgehogs dilemna). The TV series sort of ends as he comes to this realization and the viewer may not be *shown* what occurs, we can infer that he will continue to live his life.

That's the main reason I like the TV Ending, it wasn't as direct, but still implied "going on." Like you said, the movie ending goes a bit further which is what people wanted, but I was still satisfied with the TV ending and the happiness it implied (as in it's not all in your face). The Movie Ending is a bit more cryptic and the scenes of the "new" Earth are disturbing. Ultimately though, in both cases, Shinji makes the decision to live his life and it's really just a visual difference (whether in his head or him physically coming back). Regardless, the result is the same. Make sense?

Daniel ^_^
Ninja Gaijin Productions

lafayette · Post by **lafayette** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 3:31 pm

dwchang wrote:My understanding is that Episode 25/26 is occuring in *everyones* head (since it is instrumentality) and as you mentioned this is seen in the movie as well (they're one and the same).

However, the movie takes it further and shows, physically, that Shinji comes back to Earth to live his life (regardless of if interacting with people can cause pain, the hedgehogs dilemna). The TV series sort of ends as he comes to this realization and the viewer may not be *shown* what occurs, we can infer that he will continue to live his life.

That's the main reason I like the TV Ending, it wasn't as direct, but still implied "going on." Like you said, the movie ending goes a bit further which is what people wanted, but I was still satisfied with the TV ending and the happiness it implied (as in it's not all in your face). The Movie Ending is a bit more cryptic and the scenes of the "new" Earth are disturbing. Ultimately though, in both cases, Shinji makes the decision to live his life and it's really just a visual difference (whether in his head or him physically coming back). Regardless, the result is the same. Make sense?

Daniel ^_^
Ninja Gaijin Productions

yes it does, but whats always got me is whats happened to the rest of the people, are they still as one, or are they back on earth as well, what i have heard is that the figure shinij is talking to is a mix of rei, Misato and Asuka, but thats all i`ve really heard on it.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 3:54 pm

yes it does, but whats always got me is whats happened to the rest of the people, are they still as one, or are they back on earth as well, what i have heard is that the figure shinij is talking to is a mix of rei, Misato and Asuka, but thats all i`ve really heard on it.

This is purely my opinion so if you don't agree...well...you're free to

My understanding is that we have the choice to remain within instrumentality (the "one-ness" you refer to) or return. In one aspect, it's sort of an evolutionary step (I believe Gendo or Fuyutsuki says something about Man reaching the limit of physical evolution and hence must turn to other things...instrumentality) and in another it's kind of "heaven" (or whatever spiritual thing you believe).

Since we hurt each other and aren't "open" or whatnot, being "together" in this goo makes us happy, however not unique. Think about it, we complete each of the missing parts of each other and so on. As seen in the TV series, Shinji could create a perfect world for himself, but he also realizes it's not true reality and thus chooses to live his life, regardless of the bad things.

I think all people in the "goo" have the choice to go back and ideally, everyone will "discover" themselves (as Shinji did) and eventually return. Like you said, everyone is going through that self-searching that is shown in Episode 26 (they even say something about not having time to show everyone).

In conclusion, this is the reason I like Eva. Yeah the mecha are cool as hell, but fundamentally at it's base it's an uplifting story about life and your interactions with other human beings. If Shinji chose to stay in the "goo" and live a false reality, it definitely wouldn't have been as powerful. It's moving to see Shinji's development throughout the show and him finally overcoming well...himself. But then again, that's just my two cents and I'm probably looking to much into it

Daniel ^_^
Ninja Gaijin Productions

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 3:54 pm

I think it was said here that in japan they are big on memorization and not on aplication. Hellsing is based on hermetic texts just like eva is. It's good for entertainment and looking and seeing similarities, but readong the kabalah isn't going to change what went on in Eva, or help you understand the ending.