EVA Ending (MAJOR SPOILER WARNING)

LittleKefalos · Post by **LittleKefalos** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 4:24 am

Sorry just two more things. I want to make sure people realize that I believe multiple interpretations of the movie can be simultaneously correct so anything I have said I don't necassarily believe or disbelieve.

But also the following is a good eva site and has some essays check the faq and fan sections for essays, I haven't read them yet but will soon.

http://www.evangelion.ca/

The following site has that Carl Gustav Horn link I posted as well as some of what Anno said and the lyrics for Komm Susser Todd as originally written by Anno translated into English both these and the movie English lyrics I think not only explain the intent of the ending a lot but also provide an emotional link to what is happening. Finally it has a breakdown of the order the Angels in the final battle were taken down, any significance in the number order?

http://www.evaotaku.com/html/omake.html

Finally this sight has a few things the others don't and it explains many of the general terms extra.

http://animejutsu.dnsalias.com/neongene ... dexen.html

I included these three sites because I find them to be useful, although I must admit this thread has certainly been very very useful and maybe these site should be linked to it as well.

On it goes.

kearlywi · Post by **kearlywi** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:24 am

Well, I read this entire thread, and I posted my first real post in months, about 4-5 pages long, and the site ate it. I even used control-C on the message and my comp forgot that I control C'ed it. I got screwed. Damn you a-m-v.org! DwChang should know that a lot of that post was Kissing your ass for your fantastic and spot on analysis (no joke). Oh well, guess you wont get to see it. ^ _ ^

I dont even think its possible to recreate what I wrote, so I'll settle for just saying that the real message of Evangelion (the one that Dwchang conveys) is really incredible and very meaningful. I believe that if any given person understood Eva the way he does, they would be far less likely to dislike the series. I'm kind of scratching my head at Omni right now, the fact that he/she thought all the characters died illustrates to me that that person could benefit from another viewing of the show.

I have personally experienced liberation due to self analysis and facing my fears/issues/problems. I think this same exact thing happened to Anno as he was making Evangelion, and he conveyed it at the end. Its amazing how the whole thing ties together so well, since it almost feels like he made it as he went, because it seems like such an impulsive show. Consider how quickly characters died off or how quickly the show changed its complexion.

Eva is potentially dislikable because it is easy to misunderstand and its harder to like an anime when it confuses you and the ending seems like an acid trip. It took me three viewings (of the entire series and film); one without sound, and reading this thread to reach the point where I no longer have unanswered questions about the series.

One final interesting point is that like DwChang said, its ALL THERE IN THE ANIME. While I was editing episode Seven I came across a document shown that explained first impact and other misc details that were otherwise not explained (if you are interested, it is right before the halfway point of episode 7, the document is called "second impact and the world after", the entire thing is legible (if you zoom) and is competently written in english). If you are too lazy or are otherwise unable to see this, I'll tell you that first impact was the meteor which hit Earth 4 billion years ago, a collision which led to the creation of the moon.

Once again, Good Job Chang, your theory on Keel Lorentz was a very interesting possiblity. We have had our share of disagreements in the distant past but I gotta agree with you 100% in this thread.

Oh yeah, and hey, isnt Anno still alive? I saw a website that said he was, but I have no idea if its reliable/up to date information. I do know that he worked on His and Her Circumstances after Evangelion, so If he did kill himself, it was sometime after 1998. Oh yeah, there was some confusion on how old Evangelion is; Evangelion aired on Japanese Television in 1995, EoE was released in 1997, unless my sources are wrong.

...Pen Pen did it (shifty eyes). ROFL!

MrScribble · Post by **MrScribble** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:28 pm

I loved the movie just because of the bloody rainbow. It totally summed up the finalle.

Happy in a sick and twisted way.

LittleKefalos · Post by **LittleKefalos** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:55 pm

"a-m-v.org"

Well let's see what happens, at any rate I didn't realize this was an old post, but that doesn't mean it should die in experimental infamy.

My post a bit back, the first one-- the long one-- has some things about Eva I didn't really see being covered so anybody who has something worth saying should.

P.S. I guess everyone's busy voting-- I just voted today-- some categories were really tough to pick, while others were easy as peas in a pie. I wish there was an option to double vote if you really feel two videos are equally good.

kearlywi · Post by **kearlywi** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:31 am

kearlywi wrote:Oh yeah, and hey, isnt Anno still alive? I saw a website that said he was, but I have no idea if its reliable/up to date information. I do know that he worked on His and Her Circumstances after Evangelion, so If he did kill himself, it was sometime after 1998.

No one responded to this? I think its interesting that so many people have done outside research to understand the series, and yet, the very life of the creator has always been murky. I've heard from several of my friends (and people online) say that he killed himself. Even an internet search turned up indefinite information. I came across one site that said he was still alive, but it was old information. Since I couldnt find any site that said he was definitively dead, I am going to assume he's still alive... just lying low (he did get death threats after all ^_^).

...watch out for pen pen.

Darxide · Post by **Darxide** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:19 am

I thought he'd given up anime after getting sick of the otakuism and elitist attitude of the fans. Isn't he directing live-action stuff these days?

MrScribble · Post by **MrScribble** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:39 am

Haha, if that's the case we should all become elitist Japanese live action fans, just to piss him off some more.

HeartbreakerByZep · Post by **HeartbreakerByZep** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:57 pm

kearlywi wrote:
kearlywi wrote:Oh yeah, and hey, isnt Anno still alive? I saw a website that said he was, but I have no idea if its reliable/up to date information. I do know that he worked on His and Her Circumstances after Evangelion, so If he did kill himself, it was sometime after 1998.
No one responded to this? I think its interesting that so many people have done outside research to understand the series, and yet, the very life of the creator has always been murky. I've heard from several of my friends (and people online) say that he killed himself. Even an internet search turned up indefinite information. I came across one site that said he was still alive, but it was old information. Since I couldnt find any site that said he was definitively dead, I am going to assume he's still alive... just lying low (he did get death threats after all ^_^).

...watch out for pen pen.

Anno is definetly still alive. He's directing the live action Cutey Honey movie. And he got married a while back.

MrScribble · Post by **MrScribble** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:12 pm

HeartbreakerByZep wrote: Anno is definetly still alive. He's directing the live action Cutey Honey movie. And he got married a while back.

Who started the rumor that he was dead anyway?
Last I heard was that he was supervising the live action EVA project, but he had to give it up because he had "more important things to do".

LittleKefalos · Post by **LittleKefalos** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:47 pm

Aside from the fact that I think no one bothered to read my thread on page 7 of this jumble there was something else I wanted to bring up which I forgot before... and that is...

I never though that Misato killed Kaji and not just because of her reaction to the telephone call, for those who aren't as sure as I am there is futher evidence:

In the movies she checks her gun cartridge before leaving off to get Shinji and as far as I could tell all the bullets where in the cartridge and as far as a I know even if the gun was fired once we would have seen one less bullet at the bottom of the cartridge. That is of course unless you believe she used the entire cartridge and put in a new one.

But I think that the reason she checked the gun (other than the fact that the animation was cool) was because I don't think she used this gun before and wanted to make sure that the cartridge was not used especially in lieu of the Nerv agents requisitioning her gun for a period of time.

Not that this is all important but I felt it should be mentioned just in case there was any doubt.

P.S. (as in you probably shouldn't read this) I don't know who killed Kaji, but there is the possiblity that he wasn't killed, I know I don't believe it myself, but you didn't see him die did you?who knows he could have been a plot to get away from it all. It was not the penguin, I mean come on would Kaji really let a penguin kill him?
It could have been Ritsku or even Rei, but it was probably some random agent of Nerv or even of Seele.