Fanfiction writers

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:44 pm

Excalibur00 wrote:I never likd Youi fics, i have nothing against the writers of thm, but it just seems too awkward for me...let me show u an essay that someone else wrote...

Nice excerpt. ^_^ But I think it defeats the cause if that's meant to show how awkward yaoi is. (it's Y-a-o-i not youi ^.~ )

That essay actually helps explain why yaoi (at least in GW fanfiction) is natural and comes in part from the creators' refusal to name any canon pairings. So if you want to talk about how awkward yaoi fanfiction pairings are, you might want to get one of the essays about how completely incompatible characters (like Vegeta and Goku, or Gokudo and Niari) get paired together with complete disregard to the nature of the anime itself. There are a lot of those essays that would help show how awkward yaoi fanfiction can be. ^_^; I read them all the time.

But I still like that essay. It's true, too - GW is rabid with yaoi fanfiction because the creators refused to set the canon pairings. The same thing is true with YYH when it comes to Kurama - his ambiguous orientation makes yaoi a natural assumption (considering he gets confused for a girl in the anime...>.> ). With anime like that, yaoi is almost more believable in fiction than non-yaoi is - because the anime doesn't contradict it the way it does many non-yaoi pairings.

I still can't see where people can see a Hiei/Keiko pairing as *anything* but awkward what with her being in love with Yusuke and all. o.O Then there's Botan, who he never speaks more than 4 words to in the entire anime.

As far as fanfiction being awkward - I think it depends on the writer and the pairing. I've read a *lot* of very awkward YYH fanfiction that matched up any male/female pairing you can think of and made a sad little mess of it in the process. ^_^;

Mika Rieu · Post by **Mika Rieu** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:53 am

As far as fanfiction being awkward - I think it depends on the writer and the pairing. I've read a *lot* of very awkward YYH fanfiction that matched up any male/female pairing you can think of and made a sad little mess of it in the process. ^_^;[quote]

very true. I think any pairing can be akward it just depends on what the reader/writer likes

Cloud Clone · Post by **Cloud Clone** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:02 am

I mentioned on the first page that I once attempted to create something like a Trigun/Cowboy Bebop manga but I didn't get far. I'll admit that I don't think I have much talent for writing (Or maybe it's just unexpressed?) but the real reason I didn't finish was because I had no real motivation to complete it. I might perhaps be interested in creating an AMV or fanfic someday, but only if I had nothing else to do. If you like to write, that's great. It just doesn't hold my interest for long...so would anyone like to write my crossover fanfic!? That would be sooooo cool. I have a plot device that makes it possible for the worlds to crossover and a basic storyline and everything, but what I really need is a talented writer to put everything together in a well-conveyed piece of literature. Anyone up for it?

ryuu_hime13 · Post by **ryuu_hime13** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:49 am

[quote="Arigatomyna
I still can't see where people can see a Hiei/Keiko pairing as *anything* but awkward what with her being in love with Yusuke and all. o.O Then there's Botan, who he never speaks more than 4 words to in the entire anime.

As far as fanfiction being awkward - I think it depends on the writer and the pairing. I've read a *lot* of very awkward YYH fanfiction that matched up any male/female pairing you can think of and made a sad little mess of it in the process. ^_^;[/quote]

I've noted that! There are some anime that it's just very difficult/near impossible to make male/female pairing fics to. YYH and Weiss Kreuz are pretty good examples, with the exception of the Yusuke/Keiko thing.

Yukina_Raven · Post by **Yukina_Raven** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 11:55 am

Good points...and I totally agree...but then there are anime that just really CAN'T have yaoi and yuri pairs. I've seen Inu-Yasha fics with such pairs. C'mon, people...pairing Inu-Yasha and Sesshomaru up is just WRONG! They're brothers!

And pairing Miroku up with Inu-Yasha? Sorry, but Miroku would never. That's made pretty obvious as he constantly hits on women. ^^; Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:06 pm

Yukina_Raven wrote:Good points...and I totally agree...but then there are anime that just really CAN'T have yaoi and yuri pairs. I've seen Inu-Yasha fics with such pairs. C'mon, people...pairing Inu-Yasha and Sesshomaru up is just WRONG! They're brothers! And pairing Miroku up with Inu-Yasha? Sorry, but Miroku would never. That's made pretty obvious as he constantly hits on women. ^^; Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

Heh, I've actually seen a fic or two (out of hundreds mind you) that pulled it off well. But that was the Inu/Miroku pairing - I don't read incest fics. The key to that is to take the series early on - before the episode where Kagome suddenly decides she's in love with him (when she cries to her mother after seeing him with Kikyo). Up until that point, Inuyasha and Kagome acted more like brother and sister bickering than a couple. And Miroku was open about the fact that he only hit on women in the hopes of producing an heir. It's not until Sango is around for a long time that Miroku stops being just a flirt desperate to have a child, and starts being a guy in love with a girl.

So yeah, it would depend on how you pulled it off. As romantic as IY is, a good writer has plenty of room to work on it, especially with a female character like Kagome (who was in firm denial up until the crying episode where she suddenly decides she has a right to be jealous and betrayed that Inuyasha still cared about the woman he loved to begin with). And keep in mind that as a half-demon, Inuyasha is not bound by the human outlook on mates - it's a matter of contention.

The *real* unlikely pairing to me in IY fanfiction is the Sesshoumaru/Miroku pairing. As much as I like them both (and am a fan of yaoi in general), that pairing has no basis at all. They never even *talk* to each other. The only fics I've seen that had any realism to them were the ones that took the pairing as a 'lust-only' thing, and that's PWP so it doesn't count anyway. It would take a good writer and an alternate universe setting to have this pairing work. Even if Miroku only chases women because he doesn't want to die without a son, he *still* chases women to *get* that son. He doesn't have time for a relationship that might damage his chance. And that's assuming he'd even be interested in Sesshoumaru. And *why* would Sesshoumaru be interested in Miroku? o.O Even if you take it after Sesshoumaru starts to care about Rin (and thereby goes against his 'I hate all humans' rule), he still has no reason to even look at Miroku except in passing when he's out tormenting his brother. As much as I dislike it, the incest Sesshoumaru/Inuyasha has more likelihood than anything involving Sesshomaru and Miroku. If they were friends or dire enemies (Inuyasha or Naraku) it might make sense. But they're simply two guys in the same anime. There's no basis for it.

But again, sure I think it could happen. A good writer can make *anything* reasonable as long as she develops the characters and story to explain why something deviates from the 'normal' anime. There just aren't that many good writers out there making the fics, so finding ones that aren't awkward is difficult. Not inherently impossible - I could do a Hiei/Keiko fic (it would kill me) if I made it an alternatue universe - and I've talked to at least one writer who has the perfect storyline for a believable Mikuru/Shizuru (YYH - yuri) pairing. But the difficulty in writing something that differs from the original anime keeps most fanfics from being believable. Not impossible, just unlikely. Hence the awkward fics.

Some pairings are just easier to make, especially when you do nothing but take the anime exactly as it's given (most canon male/female fanfics).

ryuu_hime13 · Post by **ryuu_hime13** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:05 pm

Mikuru? Who's Mikuru? Guess I haven't seen that episode.

Incest pairings are just...squicky. Sessmoumaru/Inuyasha and Kaiba/Mokuba of Yu-Gi-Oh are just wrong. ::shudders::

Yukina_Raven · Post by **Yukina_Raven** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:15 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:
Yukina_Raven wrote:Good points...and I totally agree...but then there are anime that just really CAN'T have yaoi and yuri pairs. I've seen Inu-Yasha fics with such pairs. C'mon, people...pairing Inu-Yasha and Sesshomaru up is just WRONG! They're brothers! And pairing Miroku up with Inu-Yasha? Sorry, but Miroku would never. That's made pretty obvious as he constantly hits on women. ^^; Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
Heh, I've actually seen a fic or two (out of hundreds mind you) that pulled it off well. But that was the Inu/Miroku pairing - I don't read incest fics. The key to that is to take the series early on - before the episode where Kagome suddenly decides she's in love with him (when she cries to her mother after seeing him with Kikyo). Up until that point, Inuyasha and Kagome acted more like brother and sister bickering than a couple. And Miroku was open about the fact that he only hit on women in the hopes of producing an heir. It's not until Sango is around for a long time that Miroku stops being just a flirt desperate to have a child, and starts being a guy in love with a girl.

So yeah, it would depend on how you pulled it off. As romantic as IY is, a good writer has plenty of room to work on it, especially with a female character like Kagome (who was in firm denial up until the crying episode where she suddenly decides she has a right to be jealous and betrayed that Inuyasha still cared about the woman he loved to begin with). And keep in mind that as a half-demon, Inuyasha is not bound by the human outlook on mates - it's a matter of contention.

The *real* unlikely pairing to me in IY fanfiction is the Sesshoumaru/Miroku pairing. As much as I like them both (and am a fan of yaoi in general), that pairing has no basis at all. They never even *talk* to each other. The only fics I've seen that had any realism to them were the ones that took the pairing as a 'lust-only' thing, and that's PWP so it doesn't count anyway. It would take a good writer and an alternate universe setting to have this pairing work. Even if Miroku only chases women because he doesn't want to die without a son, he *still* chases women to *get* that son. He doesn't have time for a relationship that might damage his chance. And that's assuming he'd even be interested in Sesshoumaru. And *why* would Sesshoumaru be interested in Miroku? o.O Even if you take it after Sesshoumaru starts to care about Rin (and thereby goes against his 'I hate all humans' rule), he still has no reason to even look at Miroku except in passing when he's out tormenting his brother. As much as I dislike it, the incest Sesshoumaru/Inuyasha has more likelihood than anything involving Sesshomaru and Miroku. If they were friends or dire enemies (Inuyasha or Naraku) it might make sense. But they're simply two guys in the same anime. There's no basis for it.

But again, sure I think it could happen. A good writer can make *anything* reasonable as long as she develops the characters and story to explain why something deviates from the 'normal' anime. There just aren't that many good writers out there making the fics, so finding ones that aren't awkward is difficult. Not inherently impossible - I could do a Hiei/Keiko fic (it would kill me) if I made it an alternatue universe - and I've talked to at least one writer who has the perfect storyline for a believable Mikuru/Shizuru (YYH - yuri) pairing. But the difficulty in writing something that differs from the original anime keeps most fanfics from being believable. Not impossible, just unlikely. Hence the awkward fics.

Some pairings are just easier to make, especially when you do nothing but take the anime exactly as it's given (most canon male/female fanfics).

More good points.

But even in an alter universe...some couples I see as just WRONG. But this is my opinion, of coruse. I've seen some odd couples in the Inu-Yasha fanfic circle. Kagome/Kikyo...Miroku/Kikyo...Hojo/Sango (WTF?

) Naraku/Inu-Yasha...Kagura/Kagome...the list goes on and on.

To Ryuu_Hime13: Agreed. It is just wrong.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:33 pm

ryuu_hime13 wrote:Mikuru? Who's Mikuru? Guess I haven't seen that episode.

It's a typo. #^_^#

I meant to say Mukuro (the one who Hiei ends up working for). Typing Miroku's name so much messed with my letters. ^_^;

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:40 pm

Yukina_Raven wrote:More good points. But even in an alter universe...some couples I see as just WRONG. But this is my opinion, of coruse. I've seen some odd couples in the Inu-Yasha fanfic circle. Kagome/Kikyo...Miroku/Kikyo...Hojo/Sango (WTF? ) Naraku/Inu-Yasha...Kagura/Kagome...the list goes on and on.

I have *never* see a Naraku/Inuyasha fic.

Naraku/Miroku, sure, lots of them - they're all over the bloody place right next to the Sessh/Inu fics. But not Naraku/Inuyasha. Strange.

As for Kikyo/Kagome - that would just be weird. They shared the same soul. o.O That's like sleeping with your alter-ego. Like a Youko/ningen Kurama pairing, or that Nova/Hikaru pairing from Rayearth (Nova being her 'dark' side given life). If you share the same soul, then you're worse than related. Any physical relationship would be the equivalent of playing with yourself. o.o

Funny, but still oddly disturbing. Especially since toward the end of the series (and at the beginning), Kikyo isn't even an 'alter' ego - she's very similar in character to Kagome - just more mature and hurt. It would be too 'sister-sex' for me to even think about. >.<;;