The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Process

[Nya-chan Production]

So because people can't select a file from their system and copypaste a text we provide them we have to conform to non-standard solutions?

[BasharOfTheAges]

remove the stick from your ass. you're the one that got it wrong. geez.

[LittleAtari]

So because people can't select a file from their system and copypaste a text we provide them we have to conform to non-standard solutions?

No it is because people dont feel like having to download a WHOLE other program to upload a video using a method that they don't have to use on other video sites they visit. Please guys, don't try to act like an upload system were you press a button, browse for the file, select it is not a standard SOMEWHERE in the world. I mean go to a college campus and ask all the students about FTP even with in the media and technical schools and more than half of them probably wont be able to tell you enough about them. I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to use FTP for a school collaboration project and no body knows what the heck it is. THAT is the generation we are faced with today. These are the same kids uploading the videos to sites like youtube. The fact is, being able to use an upload system similar to youtube is a lot simpler and puts a lot less strain and work on the user side.

EDIT: I've walked new editors through the upload system of the Org. That's when I've realized just how much of a pain it is. I was so used to the system, but the fact that people have to be TAUGHT how to upload says that something is wrong there.

[BasharOfTheAges]

How dare we make people learn. The audacity. We might as well just shoot them in the face.

[LittleAtari]

How dare we make people learn. The audacity. We might as well just shoot them in the face.

people dont need to really need to learn how to upload to youtube. I mean other than the two seconds it takes to figure out the upload button on it. Also, people aren't here to learn how to use FTP. They're here to share their videos, watch other videos, and share other people's videos (along with other video/AMV related reasons).

[Nya-chan Production]

So because people can't select a file from their system and copypaste a text we provide them we have to conform to non-standard solutions?

No it is because people dont feel like having to download a WHOLE other program to upload a video using a method that they don't have to use on other video sites they visit. Please guys, don't try to act like an upload system were you press a button, browse for the file, select it is not a standard SOMEWHERE in the world. I mean go to a college campus and ask all the students about FTP even with in the media and technical schools and more than half of them probably wont be able to tell you enough about them. I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to use FTP for a school collaboration project and no body knows what the heck it is. THAT is the generation we are faced with today. These are the same kids uploading the videos to sites like youtube. The fact is, being able to use an upload system similar to youtube is a lot simpler and puts a lot less strain and work on the user side.

EDIT: I've walked new editors through the upload system of the Org. That's when I've realized just how much of a pain it is. I was so used to the system, but the fact that people have to be TAUGHT how to upload says that something is wrong there.

You know you can upload it via Windows Explorer, right?
Btw, learning this should be the basics on the internet. If you don't know how to upload you should learn it.

And one more thing about easiness and standards - why not make the site completely in Flash? It's easy and it's colourful and it's nice. Of course it's not standard and if it doesn't load it doesn't load complete, but whatever ;x

[LittleAtari]

Btw, learning this should be the basics on the internet. If you don't know how to upload you should learn it.

Why should it be the basics whenever I go to upload something on the internet, be it for school, facebook, youtube, or photobucket, I have never seen FTP. The only site that I upload files to that forces FTP on its users is the Org. O wait, I just thought of one site where I could use FTP, it was when I was making a website for my webdesign class back in highschool and actually, it was still an option there and not mandatory. I was still allowed to upload individual HTML files, which at the time, i think i ended up doing because my teacher didn't teach us how to use FTP in our INTERNET class.

EDIT: Looking back on that HTML class project, yes it wasnt efficient to not use FTP, but point is: you didnt even need FTP to make a website.


EDIT 2: To make it clear, being a part of this site for around 6 years (previous account included). I wont being using FTP for most of my uploads if the Org makes the upload process similar to YouTube. It's just faster for me than to have to enter a video, request FTP, grab link, open Filezilla, Drop file in, and confirm upload.

[BasharOfTheAges]

I'll agree that it acts as a filter and will stand by that not being a bad thing. As a contest coordinator who uses an FTP upload mechanism for submissions (as just about every reputable contest does), I've noticed a pretty strong correlation between the people that are unable or unwilling to learn how to use FTP and their seeming inability or unwillingness to learn how to use other pieces of software, like, for instance, a DVD ripper, tools to clean their footage, or their editing software in general. Several other people that run fairly large contests have admitted (to me) having noticed the same correlation when asked.

[Nya-chan Production]

because my teacher didn't teach us how to use FTP in our INTERNET class.

EDIT: Looking back on that HTML class project, yes it wasnt efficient to not use FTP, but point is: you didnt even need FTP to make a website.

I think your teacher fails, if he does FTP for you - you can't do literally anything considering web sites and uploads without it. Heck I have at least three things that can do FTP on my PC (FileZilla, pwolFTP, Total Commander) and I know of a few sites that I can upload FTP with which are web-based.

[LittleAtari]

I'll agree that it acts as a filter and will stand by that not being a bad thing. As a contest coordinator who uses an FTP upload mechanism for submissions (as just about every reputable contest does), I've noticed a pretty strong correlation between the people that are unable or unwilling to learn how to use FTP and their seeming inability or unwillingness to lean how to use other pieces of software, like their editing software. Several other people that run fairly large contests have admitted (to me) having noticed the same correlation when asked.

Yep and that the point, we shouldnt be filtering WHO uploads here because we have some standard of quality here. I dont believe in the Org's videos being of a superior quality to the Youtube community. I've actually watched way more AMVs on Youtube this Year than on the Org. I know that for a fact. I like a lot of the videos I see and honestly, I'm not sure if we should put someone down for being frustrated with FTP and thinking it's stupid if they've never seen it before. They don't understand it and are never forced to deal with it. For now, the Cons can do their own thing, but we're the Org.

because my teacher didn't teach us how to use FTP in our INTERNET class.

EDIT: Looking back on that HTML class project, yes it wasnt efficient to not use FTP, but point is: you didnt even need FTP to make a website.

I think your teacher fails, if he does FTP for you - you can't do literally anything considering web sites and uploads without it. Heck I have at least three things that can do FTP on my PC (FileZilla, pwolFTP, Total Commander) and I know of a few sites that I can upload FTP with which are web-based.

Do you want me to name for you how many programs are out there that all meant to do the same task? Do you really need three FTP clients? It doesnt matter how widely available the clients are. It matters how often you have to use them.

Also, besides the Org, name the sites that you use FTP on and for what use.

Also, I learned a lot from my HTML class, thank you. I learned HTML in it, not FTP. Granted, it would've been nice to know, but when the students final is to just get a 5 page website up on the nets, it's not all that necessary. For me, it was a big deal because i had like 20+ pages with God knows how many images