Otakon 2K5 CORBO BASH

[Kusoyaro]

party's with a bunch of hobos.

That's what you do after Corbo Bash...and only if you're Nightowl

Party ends when one of the hobos pulls a knife.

[Way]

I refer you to http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... 893#708893, where Corbo (The guy in charge of all this) explains:

The Reason Behind the Thread

...we can organize what needs to be brought to where and such...
...I do not have all of their personal information...
...a-m-v.org has been the common grounds between some of us. There are people that find out about this event only by means of the yearly thread. Mainly for this reason, is this topic posted on a public forum. And since this is a gathering of AMV creators at a convention, I felt this was an appropriate forum...which was deemed satisfactory for the last 3-4 years.

All formalities aside, I find it in very poor taste to show enough interest to ask for an invitation, and then turn around and request, "Mods, if you would please, lock this thread." It's become apparent that nobody has a problem with the thread until someone else drops the bomb of disillusionment upon their perceived sense of acceptance. You, among others, have developed a "sour grapes" attitude, and now want to strike back at the rest of us, most of whom simply want to talk amongst ourselves, and make preparations for an event during our time at Otakon.

[ANTDrakko]

All formalities aside, I find it in very poor taste to show enough interest to ask for an invitation, and then turn around and request, "Mods, if you would please, lock this thread." It's become apparent that nobody has a problem with the thread until someone else drops the bomb of disillusionment upon their perceived sense of acceptance. You, among others, have developed a "sour grapes" attitude, and now want to strike back at the rest of us, most of whom simply want to talk amongst ourselves, and make preparations for an event during our time at Otakon.

1) I didn't ask for an invitation. OtakuForLife was requested to be there by Ninetails. OFL also said "maybe" . I said something along the lines of "If I go, what should I bring?". You, sir, are combining OFL's invitation with my statement that this all should be done in a private medium.

2) Nobody has a problem with the thread? I would refer you to page 5 of this particular thread where derobert himself says, and I quote:

[derobert: This thread seems rather pointless, and as a private party, more appropriate to a private mode of communication such as PM, email, etc. Further, it seems to be functioning as the most effective complaint magnet on the .Org forums. Locking.]

Apparently a LOT of people have a problem with this thread.

3) I have no problem with organizing an event. I have no problem with the people going to this event nor the fact that this event is happening. I think its great that people have something this fun to look forward to.

I DO, however, think all of this should be discussed, as you said, amongst yourselves. That means NOT in a public forum. Like I said earlier, you all really don't have anyone to blame but yourselves for putting this were everyone and anyone can see. Welcome to life, people are going to misunderstand things such as this. This all could have been avoided by doing this either in another private forum, PM, AIM Chat, Livejournal, and countless other ways.

4)

...a-m-v.org has been the common grounds between some of us. There are people that find out about this event only by means of the yearly thread. Mainly for this reason, is this topic posted on a public forum. And since this is a gathering of AMV creators at a convention, I felt this was an appropriate forum...which was deemed satisfactory for the last 3-4 years.

Perfectly understandable. But you see what has happened? Apparently this isn't the first year either. According to AD's post which Kusoyaro has referred to, he's needed to clear this up a lot.

I'm simply saying, find a different, private way of doing all this. Livejournal, for example, apparently has a feature that only ones who are invited can see the posts. Create one for Corbo Bash. Invite only those who are "invited" to come. Link that Livejournal from Here, so that the people who don't know but are a part of your group CAN see it, be invited, and get the details.

In short, this could have been handled better. There are a lot of misunderstandings and I'm sure some tempers are being tested. I'm fine; I'm not angry or upset with anyone and don't wish to be on bad terms. I'm just trying to keep the continuing misunderstandings to a minimum.

~Seen

[ANTDrakko]

Also, if possible, any type of reply directed to me, please do so via PM.

If you, for some reason, want to say "Listen here Jackhole! You can take your comments and stuff'em with walnuts, ugly!" , I would rather it be directed to me personally than to clutter this thread anymore.

Thanks in adnvance.

~Seen

[Sertrel]

Everyone keeps saying, "public forum, public forum," but let's take the real-world example. Imagine you saw a large group of people in the lobby of the Baltimore Convention Center, milling around, having fun, chatting, discussing a party they were planning. You recognize one person who you met once before at another party. Would you go up and invite yourself to their party? Would you say that just because they were discussing it in a public forum where anyone could hear them, you should be allowed to join them? Would you say that because you shared a hobby or an interest, you should be allowed to join them?

Turn it around. Imagine if you were in your hotel room with a few friends, and suddenly someone you met once at another con drops by, along with three or four of his/her friends. And they said they overheard you talking about this party in a public area, and presumed it was an announcement.

Nowhere in this thread was there an "open invitation," or any sort of invitation at all. See <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... 1982">this thread</a> or <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... 8499">this thread</a> for examples of threads with an invitation. Note the difference in tone and tenor.

Before you behave a certain way in any internet forum, please stop and imagine if you would behave the same way in a similar public forum. I'm sorry that, in your opinion, a few friends, many of whom have known each other for years in real life, have to shut up and go hide themselves somewhere private to talk about fun times they have had together, simply because those who happen to overhear us misunderstand and want to join in.

I hope that nothing you ever say in a public forum is ever misunderstood, since then, for "the public good," you would have to take yourself and your friends to a private forum.

[ANTDrakko]

Everyone keeps saying, "public forum, public forum," but let's take the real-world example. Imagine you saw a large group of people in the lobby of the Baltimore Convention Center, milling around, having fun, chatting, discussing a party they were planning. You recognize one person who you met once before at another party. Would you go up and invite yourself to their party? Would you say that just because they were discussing it in a public forum where anyone could hear them, you should be allowed to join them? Would you say that because you shared a hobby or an interest, you should be allowed to join them?

You example is flawed. You see, in that example, the discussion isn't heard by anyone who doesn't recognize anyone. Only those people who find those people come and hear the conversation. Therefor, anyone who DOESN'T recognize someone will NOT hear the conversation. In essence, that is what I'm asking for.

Turn it around. Imagine if you were in your hotel room with a few friends, and suddenly someone you met once at another con drops by, along with three or four of his/her friends. And they said they overheard you talking about this party in a public area, and presumed it was an announcement.

What your not getting is the difference between talking in private in a public place and having a Thread in a Public Forum.

Talking privately in a public place allows people who are either there or people who may notice someone and walk over to hear the general conversation.

A Thread on an Internet Public Forum is a lot different. Because its on a public forum on the INTERNET, that allows for pretty much anyone to join in. The reason for this is because, since its a highly controllable forum (allowing certain restrictions and whatnot), if no restrictions are applied, that would make it open to everyone .

Although it would be nice, you can't always say "Well hey! This is how it would be in real life, why can't it be the same on the internet?!?" Because of flaws that I just mentioned.

Nowhere in this thread was there an "open invitation," or any sort of invitation at all. See <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... 1982">this thread</a> or <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... 8499">this thread</a> for examples of threads with an invitation. Note the difference in tone and tenor.

It's pretty much if your a friend of a friend of a friend etc. you're in.

It's not like there is any intricate guest list or something people usually ask to go to. It's kinda like Person A is going to the party, and he happens to bring persons B through D. So even though we might only know Person A, the friends that he/she brings along are always welcome.

Now, I'm not saying that is an invitation, but can you not see how it can be construed as a "If you know a guy at the party, you can go and bring a friend and be welcomed." Again, not saying that is what is being said, but can you not see how it can be thought of that way by another person?

Now, if this were all done via the livejournal thing I present before, here is how it could have gone:

Person: Can I go?
Corbo Peeps: Do you know someone?
Person: Yeah, I know (someone).
Corbo Peeps: Ask them for an invite to the Corbo Bash Livejournal thing.

If Person knows (someone) and (someone) gives them an invite. They are in. No misunderstandings or anything. Nothing but clean fun.

I'm not telling anyone to shut up. I'm telling you that you shouldn't do this in a public forum and NOT expect stuff like this to happen. It CAN be avoided by doing so via a private medium.

1 more thing...

go hide themselves somewhere private

They don't have to hide themselves anywhere. But if the topic of discussion isn't public, put that someplace private, not public. For reasons I've already mentioned.

Again, let me reiterate that I am not saying "Leave these forums! We all hate you!" I have nothing against anyone. I'm just telling you that confusions CAN be eliminated. I'm simply asking you to do so.

You don't have to. I'm not going to make you. But don't be suprised if there are more confusions next year/this year about this private party if it keeps ending up in a public forum.

~Seen

[OtakuForLife]

Yeah I was out of line to ask about my firends...
However that was ment as personal inquiry not as solid
fact. Now why exactly a whole situation flared up because
of matter of word play is beyond me.I don't get invited
fine I'll see most of you guys at the AMV dinner. There
was no rudeness intended, I was just waiting for a response
form corbo about inviting others who expressed
intrest in going. Now if this has deeply offenend people by
my inquiry I appolgize ,but, it shouldn't cuase this much theadage.

[SnhKnives]

the dead horse just can't beat itself nowadays


lol

[ANTDrakko]

the dead horse just can't beat itself nowadays


lol

But thats what I'm talking about. If its THAT common of a problem, why does it keep happening when there are obvious BETTER alternatives?

I mean comon now, even Jbone doesn't know why this keep happening:

For that reason alone, it's always boggled my mind that we have public threads on a forum with massive population to discuss it.

and he seems to be quite logical most of the time, though sometimes a bit harsh

~Seen

[SnhKnives]

the dead horse just can't beat itself nowadays


lol

But thats what I'm talking about. If its THAT common of a problem, why does it keep happening when there are obvious BETTER alternatives?

I mean comon now, even Jbone doesn't know why this keep happening:

look man. I'm not gonna disagree with anything anyone has said here. I very much would like to NOT be involved with the discussion of Corbo Bash anymore.

I would like to give you some advice.

don't worry about it.

this is not a big deal. Think about the grand scheme of life...getting turned down from a party with a bunch of old ass AMVers is not a big deal. There will be plenty of other parties that saturday night. There just isnt enough reason to really make a big deal out of any of this....trust me