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Post by Koopiskeva » Thu May 24, 2007 3:36 pm

Just wanted to ask some general questions about how people see AMVs and the current directions people are taking with them...

First, what is your definition of an AMV?

Simply, it is a music video using a combination of song and anime.

However, in a more definitive sense to me, its the mix of both the song and the anime to promote sources and hopefully help create an atmosphere which creatively combines the connection between them, as well as, the way we perceive the anime and the song on its own.

This leads to... How do you feel about the directions that AMVs are heading?

Though most AMVs are pretty consistent and doesn't really try to break away from this definition in my eyes, there are many that cross these bounds into what some people call 'digital art' (not really sure how to define this, if I did, then it would probably lead into questions of whether all AMVs are digital art...etc..). Some examples of these 'conceptual' videos can be found hereand here.

I'm not quite sure whether to like such videos as AMVs. Technically, they are very very competent, but I just don't really feel any kind of appeal towards them. They merely use the anime and the song as a vessel for me, and no substantial connection is really made other than using them as plain source to house a certain 'concept.'

What about those videos that change or create their own 'story' using anime characters that we know, you ask? Though those videos do use the anime(s) as a vessel as well, they usually also play upon the connections we have as an audience towards the characters, we merely see a different side of these characters, not necessarily just using them to further a concept.

I suppose I'm also asking what it is within AMVs that we are hoping to see in terms of originality. There are people that say 'concept' is the biggest thing that defines originality for AMV, but if the 'concept' takes over the whole video, aren't we just left with a video that is purely that and doesn't really matter what anime or song (or combination of both) is used? (same thing could be said for effects, theme, etc..) So, yes I feel that the AMV is lost within the concept and is no longer an AMV, not necessarily a bad thing, it just loses it's appeal to me.

I have similar gripes towards many MADs, though fun, I find it hard to see them as an 'evolution' or 'going beyond' AMVs. They have a different appeal altogether, but I find it difficult to be impressed by most of them. Not to say all MADs are the same, but they do suffer the same monotony that many AMVs do within their own realm.

Sorry, my thoughts are kinda all over the place on this one... there's a lot more I could say but I'd just like to hear people's thoughts on this. |:>

Short version: Koop doesn't find 'concept' videos appealing. How about you? |:>
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Post by JaddziaDax » Thu May 24, 2007 3:46 pm

to me it depends on what the "concept" is on weather or not its appealing...

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Post by Koopiskeva » Thu May 24, 2007 3:48 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:to me it depends on what the "concept" is on weather or not its appealing...
yea.. it's pretty hard to categorize such videos ... |:>
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Post by Orwell » Thu May 24, 2007 3:49 pm

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Post by Koopiskeva » Thu May 24, 2007 3:53 pm

hehe... i figured beo would prolly get a kick out of a topic like this, but no, I'm not beo nor am I trying to be |:>

If anything I would think beo would have the opposite thoughts on this |:>
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Post by Cornwiggle » Thu May 24, 2007 3:57 pm

If someone can make something fun using an anime I like, I like it...

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Post by JaddziaDax » Thu May 24, 2007 4:06 pm

Koopiskeva wrote:
JaddziaDax wrote:to me it depends on what the "concept" is on weather or not its appealing...
yea.. it's pretty hard to categorize such videos ... |:>
for instance i would consider these "concept" videos because they dont necessairly "retell what happens in the anime" but have their own stand alone stories/concepts:

Skittles
no reason
jikahu
daydream
anime academy hereos
yes yes yes i said it i consider skittles a concept video |:>

and im sure i got more "concept videos" that i rather enjoy (somewhere in my list of favorites).. but these videos have appeal of their own in my opinion and dont necessairly need to have an understanding of the anime to be enjoyable... the visuals tell their own story or make the video interesting without knowing all of the sources..

of course theres more connection to the song and the visuals other than random pretties to "artistic music" which is what i see your two examples being, (theres nothing wrong with random pretties... i like them at times but im not going to really hold on to a video unless there is something that moves me about it)

personally i think its an interesting way to present a video, and gives another visual flavor i suppose... but i dont see EVERYONE moving in that direction... but its nice to see editors try interesting things every now and again...

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Post by Koopiskeva » Thu May 24, 2007 4:14 pm

JaddziaDax wrote: of course theres more connection to the song and the visuals other than random pretties to "artistic music" which is what i see your two examples being, (theres nothing wrong with random pretties... i like them at times but im not going to really hold on to a video unless there is something that moves me about it)

personally i think its an interesting way to present a video, and gives another visual flavor i suppose... but i dont see EVERYONE moving in that direction... but its nice to see editors try interesting things every now and again...
Your examples of 'concept' videos aren't what I meant though... i meant pure 'concept' videos such as those that I linked in my post, where all other things in the video take a backstage to the concept of the video. As in, the anime and the song was simply used to be the medium for the concept, and the anime used was simply used as a visual reference and there was no real connection to the anime itself.
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Post by JaddziaDax » Thu May 24, 2007 4:16 pm

and thats where you are talking about a specific kind of concept...

and not just concept videos in general :P

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Post by Koopiskeva » Thu May 24, 2007 4:17 pm

Perhaps we need to define the word concept in AMV terms... this seems endless |:>
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