AMV Review #16: deafeuphoria's Simply Zaion

[quadir]

The concept: free op the chosen amv, then video discussion in irc
Where: #amv-review irc.zirc.org (web client)
When: Every Monday, 20:30 EDT (8:30pm)
After: free-for-all video-related chat the rest of the week

This week's video:
(deafeuphoria) - 2006 - Simply Zaion
Category: Experimental
Anime: Zaion [Spoilers]
Song: Aoki Takamasa - Simply Funk
Tags: [Mild painful audio noise]

Bonus Video:
Brett Buchan (Kwasek) - 2001 - Red Alert
Category: Action
Anime: Sailor Moon [Spoilers]
Song: Basement Jaxx - Red Alert

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[quadir]

IRC Participants: `Eclipse (Blake Stevens), godix, G_Q (GloryQuestor - John Wendel), Kionon, Minion, NerdStrudel (Blain T), Orwell, Otohiko, quadir (Olivier Beaton), trythil

20:27 <quadir> so we had a bucketload of submissions this week so we really want to thank everyone who sent em in, and to keep them coming.
20:28 <quadir> It ended with a war between two vids and one won for this week, deafeuphoria's Simply Zaion. Unfortunatly it shouldn't of won, given it's over a year old, but we only actually noticed about 20m before the review.
20:28 <Minion> tell me you picked hatter.
20:28 <quadir> Apparently he's still active albeit not uploading, and does want feedback. Next time we'll pay closer attention to the premier dates.
20:28 <quadir> Video: (deafeuphoria) - 2006 - Simply Zaion
20:28 <quadir> Category: Experimental
20:28 <quadir> Anime: Zaion: I wish You Were Here [Spoilers]
20:28 <quadir> Song: Aoki Takamasa - Simply Funk
20:29 <quadir> lots of stuff is still on the list for inclusion next week so if it didn't get picked this week still a chance for next week
20:30 <Minion> i'm telling you - you should have picked a hatter vid. could have been some great times
20:30 <Minion> just an hour of ripping apart hatter
20:30 <quadir> maybe next week :)
20:30 <Minion> \o/
20:30 <NerdStrudel> O_O
20:31 <Otohiko> is feeding him really a good idea?
20:31 <NerdStrudel> ... *Has never heard of hatter*
20:31 <Kionon> Wait, wait, wait. Snacks makes music videos? Not the Snacks I know.
20:31 <Minion> NerdStrudel: you havn't heard of him?!?!?! hes the best ever. go download his stuff and tell us what ya think
20:31 <NerdStrudel> I'm not the snacks you're looking for then god damnit
20:31 <trythil> AMV REVIEW
20:31 <trythil> WHAT IS THIS
20:32 <trythil> oh, Zaion
20:32 <trythil> that was an interesting show
20:32: * trythil gets
20:32 <trythil> wait
20:33 <trythil> this guy's name is W.T. Snacks
20:33 <trythil> this isn't the same Snacks from 4chan, is it
20:33 <NerdStrudel> hope not <_<
20:33 <trythil> if it is, this video automatically sucks
20:33 <Kionon> It isn't.
20:33 <Kionon> I know Snacks.
20:33 <Kionon> He isn't an editor.
20:34 <trythil> oh ok
20:34 <Kionon> (he's not like his meme self either, but /b/ created their own mythos)
20:34 <quadir> you might actually like this week's video trythil
20:34 <Minion> what the fuck...........................................is this really by WT snacks?
20:34 <Kionon> Minion: No.
20:34 <Kionon> Snacks is not an editor.
20:34 <Minion> then....no way. whats the oddS?
20:34 <Kionon> (Snacks is from ATL, hence how I know him)
20:35 <Minion> 2 guys named WT snacks...
20:35 <Kionon> Now you're being intentionally silly.
20:35 <Kionon> This editor just took Snacks' name.
20:35 <Minion> =/
20:36 <quadir> probably a protest at being asked what his name was
20:41 <Minion> though i have the feeling most won't feel the same as me about the video
20:42 <Minion> given one of godix's comments on that girl who jumped through time though, he may agree
20:42 <Minion> that video
20:44 <Eclipse> cool. another instrumental
20:48 <Otohiko> Kio: you're actually wrong, I'm all over experimental vids but I'm not getting a lot out of this one
20:48 <Otohiko> my last sentence probably describes it, heh
20:49 <Kionon> Kio: wait, whut
20:51 <Otohiko> haha, I just meant that I don't think this is neccesarily an experimental AMVers experimental AMV
20:51 <NerdStrudel> What exactly is an experimental vid? ?
20:51 <quadir> usally defined by audio
20:52 <NerdStrudel> ok
20:52 <trythil> it's politically correct terminology for "crap", usually
20:52 <quadir> yeah one up my spelling there trythil
20:53 <NerdStrudel> so experimental music hmmm. yah most of that shit is teh suck
20:53 <Otohiko> I take offense to that
20:53 <Otohiko> it's usually the opposite
20:53 <NerdStrudel> I said most
20:53 <NerdStrudel> not all
20:54 <Otohiko> most of the non-experimental shit is teh suck
20:54 <Otohiko> to a greater extent than the experimental
20:54 <godix> experimental is the phrase people use when they mean 'I was just fucking around and I know you won't like it but who gives a shit about you anyway?'
20:54 <NerdStrudel> Well if by that you mean mainstream then yah
20:54 <trythil> i get the feeling that this guy spent more time on the end credits than the rest of the video
20:54 <Otohiko> trythil: probably true
20:54 <NerdStrudel> the end credits kicked ass XD
20:55 <orwell> Godix, you might like the previous one before this, Befriend a childkiller
20:55 <orwell> the first and third I thought were his best
20:56 <Otohiko> the title is certainly promising :o
20:56 <godix> NerdStrudel: If you liked this video because it was 'experimental' then you'd probably like this as well. One of my favorite experimental overly synced style videos.
20:58 <godix> orwell: I've seen most of his videos already. Someone (probably you) suggested him for conet a long time ago so I checked out his shit before asking him.
20:58 <Minion> aaaand im back. review shit started?
20:58 <quadir> Minion: start us off Minion-dude
20:58 <Minion> fuck flashes.
20:58 <Minion> :down:
20:59 * Minion done
20:59 <godix> That's the most coherent I've ever seen Minion be.
20:59 <NerdStrudel> that was crazy ---
20:59 <Eclipse> he used some effects repeatedly. kinda tiring =P
20:59 <quadir> non-fullscreen opacity flashes +
20:59 <quadir> :up:
20:59 <Otohiko> that wasn't bad though, it was patterned
20:59 <godix> I thought the biggest problem was there just didn't seem ot be a point here. I don't have a god damned clue why he made this.
20:59 <Otohiko> I didn't have a problem with any of the effects usage
21:00 <Otohiko> godix: YES
21:00 <Otohiko> that's what I was getting to
21:00 <NerdStrudel> I personally got a story out of it
21:00 <Otohiko> I have no problem with the video visually, in fact there was some cool parts
21:00 <NerdStrudel> although I haven't seen the anime
21:00 <NerdStrudel> so.. it could just be the anime's story
21:00 <Otohiko> but the composition was either poor or intentionally non-existent
21:00 <godix> I mean ever with stuff I don't like, Kio's videos for example, I can tell why the editor did it. I may not like it but at least I can tell they had a reason. This one, I just don't know.
21:00 <Otohiko> which is all the stranger given how systematic he was with effects
21:00 <Otohiko> so... go figure
21:00 <Otohiko> I think it was intentional
21:01 <Otohiko> I bet it was intentional
21:01 <quadir> I can follow a storry until 1:00 then I get lost
21:01 <Otohiko> but there's almost no attempt to be in any way coherent beyond the effects
21:01 <Eclipse> yeah
21:01 <godix> His other videos are very similar in that they're big on effects and low on purpose.
21:01 <Eclipse> he kinda seemed to have put random clips here and there
21:01 <Otohiko> I still prefer his other stuff though
21:01 <NerdStrudel> So he can't give a mood worth a fuck
21:01 <NerdStrudel> so what?
21:01 <godix> So yeah, it probably was intentional. But I still don't like it much.
21:01 <NerdStrudel> a mindless action vid can be good for the soul sometimes...sorta
21:01 <Otohiko> I would like it more...
21:01 <Otohiko> if the 'music' didn't annoy me like fuck
21:01 <godix> Hell, I don't even get teh feeling he was doing it to play with effects. What he used was decent but fairly simple and very repeative.
21:02 <Eclipse> he didn't use much action sync, i think. unless you call action sync those effects syncing. in which case, my bad =p
21:02 <Kionon> I hated it.
21:02 <Kionon> It made my head hurt.
21:02 <Otohiko> I can't re-watch this too much
21:02 <NerdStrudel> I watched it twice
21:02 <Otohiko> just the high-pitched percussion things hurt my head
21:02 <Otohiko> I actually turned off Premiere when watching it for the first tme
21:02 <NerdStrudel> yah the song is kinda weird, but i sorta like. just not enough to listen to it alot
21:02 <Otohiko> thinking the audio lagged and fucked up accidentally
21:02 <quadir> hm, you found? as far as experimental vids I found this audio to be fairly innocent
21:02 <Otohiko> ...wasn't the case
21:02 <godix> I note that I've seen this video before from months ago and I had to redownload it because it wasn't still on my HD....
21:02 <Otohiko> quadir: well, yes, but...
21:03 <quadir> and I'm someone who can hear a tv turned on accross the room
21:03 <Otohiko> compare this to something like Fall Child's "Schizm"
21:03 <Otohiko> which just goes all-out
21:03 <Otohiko> this one keeps everything fairly mild and not-overly-striking
21:03 <quadir> Minion: old news
21:03 <NerdStrudel> indeed
21:03 <Otohiko> that video is out to FUCK you, this one is kinda ehhh
21:03 <Otohiko> I'm not sure what it's doing
21:03 <Otohiko> maybe that's the problem
21:03 <NerdStrudel> i haven't seen that other one you're talkin about
21:03 <NerdStrudel> so idk
21:04 <Otohiko> Schizm?
21:04 <NerdStrudel> yah
21:04 <Otohiko> SEE IT
21:04 <quadir> I think after rewatching it over and over again, I'm slowly seeing story in the first half with the guy... then a story with the girl
21:04 <quadir> but 2 seperate
21:04 <NerdStrudel> indeed
21:04 <NerdStrudel> i told you
21:04 <NerdStrudel> i see a story
21:04 <godix> Personally I like experimental a fair amount but there's a difference between experimental and 'dude, why even bother doing this shit?'
21:04 <Eclipse> Nerd: 326.6
21:04 <Eclipse> oops
21:05 <Otohiko> that's an experimental video which doesn't leave many questions to me, heh
21:05 * `Eclipse was going to post the youtube link
21:05 <NerdStrudel> i would almost go abstract enough as to say (since i've never seen the anime) that the experimentation done on the guy lik... transforms him into what's attacking girl
21:05 <Otohiko> still, is it well-composed on the footage/concept level?
21:05 <Otohiko> I don't think so
21:05 <NerdStrudel> not so much
21:05 <Eclipse> nope
21:05 <NerdStrudel> just sayin i see a story
21:05 <NerdStrudel> kinda
21:05 <godix> It also bothered me that one of his frequent effects LOOKS like interlacing problems. It isn't of course but it is very annoying.
21:06 <Kionon> In general I don't have much to say.
21:06 <Eclipse> i like the stutter effect they used a couple times.
21:06 <Eclipse> pretty neat
21:06 <Otohiko> I generally liked the effects
21:07 <godix> `Eclipse: Yeah but it's nothing new.
21:07 <Kionon> The effects pissed me off. It was like watching someone unable to edit, rather than what it actually was.
21:07 <Otohiko> and insofar of how they matched the audio, they went well
21:07 <Eclipse> godix: so what?
21:07 <NerdStrudel> Lawl guy 07
21:07 <NerdStrudel> and hmmm
21:07 <quadir> I thought the jagged lines were hot
21:07 <Otohiko> and I know the guy is far from a bad editor, just that I don't think we get what he's been trying to do there
21:07 <Otohiko> maybe that's his intention
21:07 <quadir> on the buzzing
21:07 <godix> That's the other part that bothers me about this video, he doesn't do anything new. I've seen overly synced experiemental crap before, and better done. i've seen all his effects before although he did them well.
21:07 <godix> THis just had nothing new to me.
21:07 <Otohiko> godix: x2
21:07 <NerdStrudel> indeed
21:07 <Kionon> x3.
21:08 <NerdStrudel> x4
21:08 <Otohiko> that's the other reason it didn't jump out to me
21:08 <NerdStrudel> and i'm a noob
21:08 <Kionon> and I don't like the vids that did it better
21:08 <NerdStrudel> so...
21:08 <Kionon> so I sure as hell don't like this
21:08 <Otohiko> I think for an experimental video... perhaps it was more of just weirding-out than true experimenting
21:08 <Otohiko> especially in light of his other work where he does rather similar things visually
21:08 <quadir> I don't think the majority of the AMV crowd has seen an excess of experimental vids
21:08 <Eclipse> yeah
21:09 <quadir> however this crowd may be different
21:09 <NerdStrudel> I'm not
21:09 <Otohiko> also true
21:09 <NerdStrudel> MUWAH
21:09 <godix> I may have to take another look at his other work. I remember my overall impression of his was technically decent but artistically just kinda blah.
21:09 <Kionon> I don't think we want to.
21:09 <Kionon> Experimental is... eh
21:09 <Otohiko> And there's always their studio's Project.D, which is just fucking awesome
21:09 <Kionon> Except the germans. The germans love experimental shit.
21:09 <godix> qaudir: At least 3 people in this room are in a project editing to random numbers.
21:09 <Otohiko> Kio: most europeans seem to in fact :P
21:10 <NerdStrudel> europeans are teh shit
21:10 <Kionon> godix: 8.47?
21:10 <godix> The level of interest and knowledge about experiemental videos is probably a lot higher in here than on the general org.
21:10 <NerdStrudel> <_<
21:10 <orwell> eh, this one wasn't my favorite of his, I liked some effects usage, but on the whole I thought the befriend a childkiller had more sense, and music that wasn't quite so jarring
21:10 <godix> Kionon: I meany conet. 8.47 wasn't experimental, it was just a joke.
21:10 <Kionon> Oto: "Dis is the time on Sprocketz var ve do the experimental AMVs"
21:10 <Kionon> 8.47 isn't even around yet
21:10 <godix> Note, I didn't just insult 8.47. It was MEANT to be a joke MEP.
21:10 <Otohiko> Kio: LOL
21:10 <Kionon> Skylink is a bastard.
21:11 <Otohiko> I know that reference all too well
21:11 <NerdStrudel> i know nutzing
21:11 <Otohiko> anyway, question: do you think this would be a better video were it more carefully composed and tried to make sense, while keeping the same sort of visual style?
21:11 <godix> Minion: Seen it. Made it my background. Got hit for it.
21:11 <Otohiko> I personally think it would be, though I'm sure the audio would keep me off
21:11 <NerdStrudel> yes it would
21:12 <Kionon> Actually, european editing has always been unusual. I mean, look at Fritz Lang.
21:12 <Otohiko> hah
21:12 <godix> Yes. I think if there was an overall point to the video it'd be better. Not neccessarily a plot, but at least a point.
21:12 <orwell> I agree with oto, though, like he said, the music doesn't really make it one for the loop too long
21:12 <Eclipse> o.O
21:12 <NerdStrudel> ?
21:12 <Otohiko> well, I come from the land (and socioeconomic class) of Tarkovsky, that may explain a thing or two about my take on this stuff :P
21:13 <Kionon> I so no redeeming quality to the video other than practice
21:13 <NerdStrudel> i can't get to the picture minion posted for some reason
21:13 <quadir> trythil: you take a look at the vid?
21:13 <NerdStrudel> myabe that's all it was is practice
21:13 <Otohiko> I'm not sure about that
21:13 <Otohiko> I mean...
21:13 <Otohiko> making AMVs works in mysterious ways
21:14 <Otohiko> 50 francs to anyone who can tell me why I make RPBP videos, heh
21:14 <NerdStrudel> boredom
21:14 <Otohiko> not really
21:14 <NerdStrudel> damn
21:14 <godix> Otohiko: To get laid.
21:14 <NerdStrudel> BLAST
21:14 <NerdStrudel> BLOODY HELL
21:14 <orwell> I'd say fucked in the head?
21:14 <Eclipse> Oto: because you want to?
21:14 <godix> Otohiko: Because you're a twisted fuck?
21:14 <Otohiko> godix: hasn't been very efficient that way
21:14 <NerdStrudel> because idk what RPBP is
21:14 <trythil> quadir: yeah -- I don't really have much else to say about it, except that I felt that the editor spent more time on the end credits than the video itself
21:14 <Otohiko> the latter is likely
21:14 <trythil> I think that says enough
21:15 <godix> Otohiko: that's because you chase after women half the continent away from you.
21:15 <Eclipse> the end credits were cool :D
21:15 <NerdStrudel> the end credits pwned
21:15 <Otohiko> very, yes
21:15 <orwell> half the continent? When did he move to france?
21:15 <NerdStrudel> let's fucking OP about the end credits
21:15 <NerdStrudel> and make this officially about them
21:15 <godix> Yeah, I liked the credits. Better than the video at least.
21:15 <NerdStrudel> this weeks amv-review. end credits
21:16 <quadir> ending credits were very... typography vid like
21:17 <Eclipse> yeah
21:17 <quadir> either that or one of the 242552 graphic artists flash portfolio websites
21:18 <Eclipse> i kinda liked how he just made it, displayed the whole credits stuff, then destroyed it
21:18 <godix> I suspect the editor is having a personal joke actually. The credits and his 'real' name imply heavily that this is all a joke. Kinda like AD's dinosaur thing.
21:18 <Otohiko> also probable
21:19 <NerdStrudel> i don't get the joke
21:19 <quadir> AD was only 1/3 of dinosaur
21:19 <NerdStrudel> damn my inexperience
21:19 <trythil> I'd also like to add that if you want to see a movie just for the end credits, go watch 300
21:19 <NerdStrudel> lol
21:19 <Otohiko> trythil: fuck yes
21:19 <godix> I didn't pay much attention to dinosaur. I remember it existed. I remember it sucked. I remember AD was part of it.
21:19 <Otohiko> though the rest wasn't too bad
21:19 <trythil> yeah
21:19 <trythil> I mean, I liked it
21:19 <quadir> I forget the ending credits :(
21:19 <trythil> but the only things that really stick in my mind are (1) the compositing and (2) the end credit sequence
21:20 <godix> I should download that something but if I want to spend an hour and a half watching a fight I'll tell my wife that she's fat.
21:20 <Otohiko> the blood spray!
21:21 <Otohiko> so, shall we get to final words?
21:21 <quadir> sure
21:21 <quadir> was hoping fall_child42 would show up since he submitted it
21:21 <NerdStrudel> ok
21:21 <godix> Yeah, I think we're done tlaking about this.
21:21 <Eclipse> end credits > all
21:21 <quadir> but he's a tool
21:22 <NerdStrudel> End credits were cool but I still liked the vid -_- for some reason
21:22 <NerdStrudel> jsut drop all my scored to like 8s instead of 10s
21:22 <godix> Technically pretty well don. Artistically a failure. Needs a point.
21:22 <orwell> I liked the vid, but it lacks some of the talent I enjoyed in his previous work
21:22 <Otohiko> I don't think it was bad or anything, just that it needs a point as godix says
21:22 <NerdStrudel> fo sho
21:22 <quadir> I liked the vid on the whole, but I'd put it as filler on a amv tape not something that people would remember. I also didn't think it had a point, and would be 100% better with one
21:22 <Otohiko> there's a woeful lack of composition outside effects
21:22 <Eclipse> effects were pretty good
21:22 <NerdStrudel> the way end
21:22 <Eclipse> just didn't seem to have a use
21:23 <NerdStrudel> with the last part
21:23 <NerdStrudel> right before credits
21:23 <NerdStrudel> was a crappy way to end it
21:23 <NerdStrudel> on top of it not being a masterpiece
21:30 <G_Q> Overall, I didn't really like it. :(
21:31 <G_Q> The beat-sync stuff was good, but there just wasn't enough variety or action.
21:31 <G_Q> And I never saw Zaion before, so I couldn't evaluate it based on knowledge of the anime.
21:34: <godix> You guys are right. Childkiller is better.

[Minion]

one of these days - i'll sneak one of the pictures past you

[NS]

O_O ?

[deafeuphoria]

oh, okay


but why

[Otohiko]

oh, okay


but why

That describes our reaction to the video, yep.

[fone]

goin out on a limb here and guessing irc doesn't like david violence either

a-m-v.org hate non-lipsyncing amvs

[Kionon]

oh, okay


but why

Wait, wait. Okay, so, Atlanta is you location... If you are the actual Snacks, you didn't mention you were an editor at AWA. I just presumed someone stole your name. Unless the fact you also live in Atlanta is just a coincidence. O_O

[deafeuphoria]

That describes our reaction to the video, yep.

wait


what

Wait, wait. Okay, so, Atlanta is you location... If you are the actual Snacks, you didn't mention you were an editor at AWA. I just presumed someone stole your name. Unless the fact you also live in Atlanta is just a coincidence. O_O

seriously


what

[godix]

goin out on a limb here and guessing irc doesn't like david violence either

a-m-v.org hate non-lipsyncing amvs

Yes, you caught us out. <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 493">We</a> <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 6">hate</a> <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... ">weird</a> <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... >videos</a>.