Naruto

[BasharOfTheAges]

As for me, I like seeing the Adults, mainly the Jounins+ go at it since they act more serious about it, along the ones you dont see fight alot.

They're also the only ones that seem able to die.

[macguy]

Naruto appeals to kids in the same way DBZ used to: big, flashy, and every move gets its own name so they can go run around the backyard making hand motions and screaming the words at the top of their lungs. What more could be needed?

Back in the day when DBZ was released, I don't think bloodshed was appropriate as is seen from the censorship in the newspapers. I wouldn't say that it is for kids. Even to this day I would still consider it for teenagers and for those who just want a funny and action packed anime which is everything that the Dragonball series has. In an interview with Peter Kelamis he had this to say about the censorship.

Q: What do you think of all the censoring and editing done in the English version? How do you feel about the fact that you have to say "next dimension" instead of "die"? Do you think the alterations are warranted, or do the censors go too far?

A: I think what is considered taboo in the Japanese culture and what is taboo in North America are two completly different sets of rules. Yes, the censorship is necessary. I have seen footage of Goku's bare @$$, penises, and all sorts of things that you would obviously not see on North American television. As for saying "next dimension" instead of "die" I don't think that would really bother anyone. Bare asses, yes. Next dimension, no.

The fighting can have some impact on kids but it seems today's culture is slowly giving in or already has for the most part. DBZ is not like bugs bunny or Tom & Jerry so I would certainly not call dragonball z or naruto a kids show. In reality, the anime one watches and likes reflects somewhat on the individuals lifestyle or personality.

Naruto series has it's slow moments and all of the fillers for it was really starting to annoy me. It is not as action packed as Dragonball Z and actually has surprisingly copied from Cowboy Bebop. Plagiarism doesn't really concern me but just shows that people need to use original ideas. My cultural bias reigns DBZ as better than Naruto but if one focuses on anime quality, then naruto wins in that area.

[Super Shanko]

Naruto appeals to kids in the same way DBZ used to: big, flashy, and every move gets its own name so they can go run around the backyard making hand motions and screaming the words at the top of their lungs. What more could be needed?

Back in the day when DBZ was released, I don't think bloodshed was appropriate as is seen from the censorship in the newspapers. I wouldn't say that it is for kids. Even to this day I would still consider it for teenagers and for those who just want a funny and action packed anime which is everything that the Dragonball series has. In an interview with Peter Kelamis he had this to say about the censorship.

Q: What do you think of all the censoring and editing done in the English version? How do you feel about the fact that you have to say "next dimension" instead of "die"? Do you think the alterations are warranted, or do the censors go too far?

A: I think what is considered taboo in the Japanese culture and what is taboo in North America are two completly different sets of rules. Yes, the censorship is necessary. I have seen footage of Goku's bare @$$, penises, and all sorts of things that you would obviously not see on North American television. As for saying "next dimension" instead of "die" I don't think that would really bother anyone. Bare asses, yes. Next dimension, no.

The fighting can have some impact on kids but it seems today's culture is slowly giving in or already has for the most part. DBZ is not like bugs bunny or Tom & Jerry so I would certainly not call dragonball z or naruto a kids show. In reality, the anime one watches and likes reflects somewhat on the individuals lifestyle or personality.

Naruto series has it's slow moments and all of the fillers for it was really starting to annoy me. It is not as action packed as Dragonball Z and actually has surprisingly copied from Cowboy Bebop. Plagiarism doesn't really concern me but just shows that people need to use original ideas. My cultural bias reigns DBZ as better than Naruto but if one focuses on anime quality, then naruto wins in that area.

Only in DBZ, does "Next Dimension" works for me, mainly because 1. there was a next dimension to run around in so its no different than saying plain old DIE! and 2. when Vegeta's 1st English voice said it, it sounded decent.

[BasharOfTheAges]

I would certainly not call dragonball z or naruto a kids show

The target audience of shonen jump titles is 8-12 year old boys - you bet your ass they're kids shows.

[macguy]

The target audience of shonen jump titles is 8-12 year old boys - you bet your ass they're kids shows.

We are discussing the standards of America not Japan for crying out loud! Also realize that manga is manga and anime is anime. Quite frankly, there is hardly any fighting action in manga as much as there is in anime. There are differences here. Furthermore, read the quote which explains the censorship. If it was for kids then no censorship would be needed but since they wanted to make it a safe for all, so to speak, they had to censor it.

There are no bad words and a bunch of fighting but I hardly think that constitutes as your average kid show such as Bugs bunny. In my view, naming it a kids show just is another way to put it down. Anime, one could argue is for kids and the grownups who watch it never grew up. Of course that is speaking through general terms and not specifics such as Death Note. If you wish to speak in general terms that you're correct but it certainly isn't limited to kids in any way.

[macguy]

Furthermore, it should be noted that the targeted audience is for "boys" yet that is very vague. Philosophically, you can't make any inferences on the word boy without having a maximum and minimum of specified age. Just because it is in the category of shonen doesn't really imply that the content is for kids.

You have failed to define properly the determined age group and note the difference in cultures. In Israel, an adult is considered much younger than the USA. Japan could find bad scenes as non-offensive where as at least back in the 1990's people tend to get more offended by violence. Kids may be intrigued by it, but the show isn't necessarily for kids in regards to American standards. Kids can also be intrigued by soft porn but this doesn't make it right. You have to argue for specifics here if you want to make a case. It may be watch-able for kids, but certainly not a kids show. There's seinen for adult men but where's the teens? Please provide your prime justification for stating this.

1) If P then Q
2) Q
3) Therefore P

This is the fallacy of affirming the consequent which I believe one would commit if argued that, if DBZ is for kids then kids should have no problem in watching it for their age. Making this clear before anyone thinks this is logical and I am certainly not accusing you of this.

More accurately, Kodomo is what I am referring to. Are kids the same as teenagers? What is your definition?

[BasharOfTheAges]

Defensive and insecure much?

[macguy]

Defensive and insecure much?

Nah, I am always that way if you get to know me. I like thinking about things...especially in controversial topics although this isn't necessarily really something worth debating. Regardless I just thought it would be interesting where it was headed.

Everyone defends something but the focus should be on who is correct. I am beginning to lean to the thought of subjectiveness but I still find your comment that it's for kids misleading at best.

[macguy]

Also my apologies if I offended you. I very much prefer to talk in details than with brief comments unlike most people. Hehe, too bad I can't edit.

Moving off topic if you like, does anyone know why Naruto is being delayed so many times now? Just curious as I am not that patient and it's beginning to annoy me.

[JazzyDJ]

Well, it's been going for over 5 years and was one of the big things in the proliferation of the digisub movement. Also, we have a lot of 13 year olds here.

Suddenly I feel like an old man... (20s FYI)