What's Originality?

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:12 pm

servo101010 wrote:This brings up another interesting ponder. Does the criteria of originality change as time goes by?

Yes and no. It didn't used to be a generally accepted thing to score someone low in originality for simply using a source or a song that is common to use, but over time resentment over the fact that an editor had inflated scores simply because the source they chose had a wider audience built and some people now quite often leave low originality scores to offset what they perceive as a "fanboy spike."

Sukunai · Post by **Sukunai** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:18 am

Originality is a form of magic.

Just being a skilled editor, will not make your amvs magical.

Just having fresh material that no one has used before, won't make it magical.

Picking a supposedly good song, won't make for a magical amv, as it's more than the song.

Originality is something most will be looking form, and damn few will find

Then there's the vast majority out there that couldn't care less if their amv was original, they were either bored, or just didn't care, or they suck (and just don't know it)

I have found some great stuff on boochsack, even though it was boochsack.
I have found some reeeeeeeeally worthless crap here at the org as well

A lot of the amvs I have found, that I have liked, I realized I liked, when practically no one else would.

I can only think of a very small few I have seen that were truly original though.

Kevmaster · Post by **Kevmaster** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:25 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Originality is 100% about concept and 0% about source - hands down. People have gotten the two confused since most people can't come up with an innovative idea to save their asses and they see a direct corrilation between using source A and song B and a video being bad.

I disagree. The Sources play a big Role for originality as well. I personally Think Concept and Way of Editing are more important, but when someone uses an Overused Concept, BUT underused Sources (Music + anime), I'd rate it higher than a Video with the same Concept but an overused Anime like Naruto or DBZ and/or a Linkin Park, Disturbed or w/e song :/

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:53 am

Kevmasterflashdeluxe wrote:I disagree. The Sources play a big Role for originality as well. I personally Think Concept and Way of Editing are more important, but when someone uses an Overused Concept, BUT underused Sources (Music + anime), I'd rate it higher than a Video with the same Concept but an overused Anime like Naruto or DBZ and/or a Linkin Park, Disturbed or w/e song :/

Liez.

If you can somehow make a unique linkin ball z video, that kinda makes you more original than the guy who choose a Indian Rap and stuck it to some obscure anime.

DooKi` · Post by **DooKi`** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:26 am

I'd have to agree with the concept of originalty changing over time. Personally I find that people are more likely to avoid change at all costs, to keep what was simply done in the first place. THEN the light switch goes off and what you once thought *DBX/LP man thats COOL!* goes to *that was... overused..*. And normally it happens in a mass movement.

I remeber 5 years back when I FIRST got into amvs, DBZ LP was a great idea. EVEN when "in the end" came out everyone was using it and still was original almost everytime.

I also think anime/music choice does effect an originality score (not for me personally) but everyone I know who watches amvs cant watch naruto videos whatsever anymore, just for the fact that "oh great... another naruto video..[/list]

Kevmaster · Post by **Kevmaster** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:32 am

Malificus wrote:
Kevmasterflashdeluxe wrote:I disagree. The Sources play a big Role for originality as well. I personally Think Concept and Way of Editing are more important, but when someone uses an Overused Concept, BUT underused Sources (Music + anime), I'd rate it higher than a Video with the same Concept but an overused Anime like Naruto or DBZ and/or a Linkin Park, Disturbed or w/e song :/
Liez.

If you can somehow make a unique linkin ball z video, that kinda makes you more original than the guy who choose a Indian Rap and stuck it to some obscure anime.

I was mainly talking about the Concept in this Case.

Imagine 2 AMV's with the same Concept.

One uses LinkinballZ, the other one the Indian Rap with obscure anime.

Which one would get the higher Originality rating?

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:40 am

Kevmasterflashdeluxe wrote:
Malificus wrote:
Kevmasterflashdeluxe wrote:I disagree. The Sources play a big Role for originality as well. I personally Think Concept and Way of Editing are more important, but when someone uses an Overused Concept, BUT underused Sources (Music + anime), I'd rate it higher than a Video with the same Concept but an overused Anime like Naruto or DBZ and/or a Linkin Park, Disturbed or w/e song :/
Liez.

If you can somehow make a unique linkin ball z video, that kinda makes you more original than the guy who choose a Indian Rap and stuck it to some obscure anime.
I was mainly talking about the Concept in this Case.

Imagine 2 AMV's with the same Concept.

One uses LinkinballZ, the other one the Indian Rap with obscure anime.

Which one would get the higher Originality rating?

The latter would get it, but neither really deserves it over the other. Maybe the dbz editor only has that to work with, while the other has a vast library of sources. In a situation like that, it probably took more creativeness from the DBZ editor to get the same concept as the other guy, so he would deserve a higher originality rating. Or, assuming everything is equal concerning the available resources, neither is more creative than the other. They both had the same concept, and probably used the tools they felt best suited it.

Keeper of Hellfire · Post by **Keeper of Hellfire** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:53 am

Kevmasterflashdeluxe wrote:Imagine 2 AMV's with the same Concept.

One uses LinkinballZ, the other one the Indian Rap with obscure anime.

Which one would get the higher Originality rating?

Simply to answer. The one who used the concept first. No matter what sources were used. Originality comes from origin.

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:59 am

Keeper of Hellfire wrote:
Kevmasterflashdeluxe wrote:Imagine 2 AMV's with the same Concept.

One uses LinkinballZ, the other one the Indian Rap with obscure anime.

Which one would get the higher Originality rating?
Simply to answer. The one who used the concept first. No matter what sources were used. Originality comes from origin.

I disagree here too. Just because someone made it first, doesn't mean the people who make similar videos have seen it before. They would be being just as original as the first person

Keeper of Hellfire · Post by **Keeper of Hellfire** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:36 pm

Malificus wrote:Just because someone made it first, doesn't mean the people who make similar videos have seen it before. They would be being just as original as the first person

No. They would be as creative as the first person, but not as original. There can only be one.