How do we attract feelings in AMV:s?

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:05 pm

Sukunai wrote:
JaddziaDax wrote:not everyone believes amvs are art...
Yes the ones that suck are not art.

I thought that was obvious.

actually I know people who make amvs that are very well done who don't believe that amvs are art....

Chiikaboom · Post by **Chiikaboom** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:23 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:
Sukunai wrote:
JaddziaDax wrote:not everyone believes amvs are art...
Yes the ones that suck are not art.

I thought that was obvious.
actually I know people who make amvs that are very well done who don't believe that amvs are art....

I dont believe amvs are art. Its a fun hobby.

I dont care if an amv doesn't have a "deep meaning", if i like what i see, i enjoy it.

I think too many people search for artistic factors in amvs that have no deep meaning whatsoever, and imo thats just taking amvs way too seriously :\

JudgeHolden · Post by **JudgeHolden** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:54 pm

As I've said a million times ... Panties!

But seriously, I think the worse thing that ever happened to AMVs was the creation of the AMV theory guides (Sorry guys, they where a good idea at the time I guess). The reason for this is that people have taken these guides and made them into what Fall-Child correctly calls "Fake Rules". These "Fake Rules" stifle creativity IMHO. Of course these rules are reinforced by the way the op system is structured. In the end, we need to remind people that those creative theory guides are just that, guides.

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:00 am

Chiikaboom wrote: I dont believe amvs are art. Its a fun hobby.

I dont care if an amv doesn't have a "deep meaning", if i like what i see, i enjoy it.

I think too many people search for artistic factors in amvs that have no deep meaning whatsoever, and imo thats just taking amvs way too seriously :\

Art isn't defined by something having a 'deep meaning.' Actually, I don't want to get into what art even is, but I'm putting my foot down on at least thispart. Art doesn't equal being serious - so I don't think defining AMVs as a fun hobby excludes it from being 'art.'

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lady_ho · Post by **lady_ho** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:13 am

JudgeHolden wrote:As I've said a million times ... Panties!

But seriously, I think the worse thing that ever happened to AMVs was the creation of the AMV theory guides (Sorry guys, they where a good idea at the time I guess). The reason for this is that people have taken these guides and made them into what Fall-Child correctly calls "Fake Rules". These "Fake Rules" stifle creativity IMHO. Of course these rules are reinforced by the way the op system is structured. In the end, we need to remind people that those creative theory guides are just that, guides.

oh i see.... what about creating amv theory guides for absolute newbies? hehe. i'm sure experienced based guides are useful... because once the newbie understands the thinking process, wouldn't they in effect improve and differ after they've mastered those guides?

Kevmaster · Post by **Kevmaster** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:17 am

JudgeHolden wrote:As I've said a million times ... Panties!

Ohhhh yeaaaah, this always make me 'feel' your amv's!

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:34 am

lady_ho wrote:
JudgeHolden wrote:As I've said a million times ... Panties!

But seriously, I think the worse thing that ever happened to AMVs was the creation of the AMV theory guides (Sorry guys, they where a good idea at the time I guess). The reason for this is that people have taken these guides and made them into what Fall-Child correctly calls "Fake Rules". These "Fake Rules" stifle creativity IMHO. Of course these rules are reinforced by the way the op system is structured. In the end, we need to remind people that those creative theory guides are just that, guides.
oh i see.... what about creating amv theory guides for absolute newbies? hehe. i'm sure experienced based guides are useful... because once the newbie understands the thinking process, wouldn't they in effect improve and differ after they've mastered those guides?

Developing a theoretical framework within which to discuss AMVs as an art form from scratch is not easy. Distilling it down the byte-sized chunks for the person who cannot be bothered to do a bit of reading and learning on their own is both an unbelievable pain in the @$$ and insulting to anyone who does do their homework.

Brad · Post by **Brad** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:35 am

I've always defined art as being any kind of creative output, regardless of if it's any good. There's no need to put the term "art" on this incredible pedestal of importance that can only be achieved through deeper thinking and tireless effort. Maybe other people's definition differs from mine, but I like to think that it makes things much simpler. I scribble a stick man on a piece of paper. I just made art. It doesn't mean it means anything or that it should be put up in a gallery. It was some form of creative output. The same goes for any DBZ/Linkin Park video.

Kitsuner · Post by **Kitsuner** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:41 am

AtomX wrote:I've always defined art as being any kind of creative output, regardless of if it's any good. There's no need to put the term "art" on this incredible pedestal of importance that can only be achieved through deeper thinking and tireless effort. Maybe other people's definition differs from mine, but I like to think that it makes things much simpler. I scribble a stick man on a piece of paper. I just made art. It doesn't mean it means anything or that it should be put up in a gallery. It was some form of creative output. The same goes for any DBZ/Linkin Park video.

By that definition, should the Most Artistic award in certain contests go to the longest video?

Brad · Post by **Brad** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:44 am

Kitsuner wrote:
AtomX wrote:I've always defined art as being any kind of creative output, regardless of if it's any good. There's no need to put the term "art" on this incredible pedestal of importance that can only be achieved through deeper thinking and tireless effort. Maybe other people's definition differs from mine, but I like to think that it makes things much simpler. I scribble a stick man on a piece of paper. I just made art. It doesn't mean it means anything or that it should be put up in a gallery. It was some form of creative output. The same goes for any DBZ/Linkin Park video.
By that definition, should the Most Artistic award in certain contests go to the longest video?

Not quite.

I was trying to imply that any kind of creative output can be considered art, but there's obviously big differences in whether or not it's GOOD art or not. Like my stick figure drawing for example. It's just a little piece of shit that means nothing. It's not good art in my opinion. And that's the key. Art is entirely subjective. It's possible that somebody else could look at it and think it's a masterpiece. I don't think it's ridiculous for somebody to think of a video as being more artistic than another video by using their own judgment.