FanimeCon 2008 AMV Contest - Deadline May 5th

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Post by NightHawk » Thu May 22, 2008 1:50 pm

Autraya wrote:
Tsukin wrote:Made it to the finals =P .
there goes the best action/horror award :lol:

I didn't realise people were confused about the emails that went out, I wasn't all that worried I just sent mine in for kicks but I hope nighthawks vid (i'm guessing which one you sent btw) beats me (if I sent the video I think I did in the comedy section, but honnestly I dont remember what I sent, I'm also not concerned since it's just fer fun) good luck all 8-)
I sent Be A Man into Action(/Adventure?) and I See Someone Else... into Drama.

Unless they stuck Be A Man into comedy, I don't have a comedy entry.

I'm not sure which one you sent in though... but I'm sure it's good.

In any case, I'll be heading out now and I'll try to check up here between now and the contest.

See you all there (whoever is going)! =D
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Post by Erudito » Mon May 26, 2008 9:39 pm

Ok I don't know if this is the correct place for this list of criticisms, but I'm putting it here until I know of a better place. I got back from Fanime a short time ago and I had to give my opinion on the contest.

First off, I'd like to point out that there was no host. What kind of AMV contest has no host? Could they not find a staff member to take some time to MC the contest? I am used to events having someone there to coordinate everything and there was no one there to do so or no one who seemed to care enough to do so.

Secondly, what was up with action this year? This isn't so much a problem with the contest, unless it was on the fault of those choosing the videos. Flickering lights and explosions do not make a good action video. Can we start seeing videos that are not the generic explosions with weak effects type and see some that are focused on editing and timing, the aspects of the AMV that make them enjoyable?

Thirdly, one of my videos was moved out of the experimental category and was moved to comedy. I do not mind my video being moved to different categories, but at least ask my opinion in the matter. The video could have easily been considered action instead of being placed in a category that is blatantly is not like comedy. A little communication with the creators would be nice.

Fourth, speaking of communication why was the communication with the entrants of the competition so pathetic? We should have had a list of finalists weeks ago instead of none at all. Also when being told that a person did or did not make the finals the person should have been told what video did or did not make it. Try doing something more than a simple bulk letter.

Fifth, why was there no AMV luncheon? Every competition I've been to has had a lunch for the creators. Just a little hospitality would have been nice. You don't even need to pay for food. Just a smiling face and the ability to gather everyone is all that is really required. Thankfully I knew some of the people in the contest and I could meet up and talk with them. However, when I first began competing meeting everyone was one of the best moments of doing the competitions.

Sixth, this is a major convention, why is the competition treated like it's nothing? People work long hours making these videos and there should be a little more respect paid to the creators. More than that this is a major convention it has grow far beyond what it once was and yet the way the competition was handled felt like how small cons attempted their first contests act. The Fanime AMV contest is considered a major contest and a warm up for the AX contest. The Fanime staff should treat the competition that way.

Finally, there are some good points. I did like the auditorium used for the competition, the security staff did a great job as well. The use of trailers before the competition videos started was great as well. There was more than enough seating and it seemed that there was no problem with letting attendees into the contest.

I was greatly disappointed and I know that several other people in the contests feel the same way. I loved going to Fanime, I had a great time, but this competition really soured me on the whole experience. I urge all others who feel like I do to make your feeling known, politely, so that the competition can be improved for next year. I want to look forward to next year's competition and without change I do not see that happening. I hope that my criticisms can be taken as that criticism. I hope that the Fanime Music video competition will improve next year because Fanime is one of the best conventions I've ever attended.
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A bad AMV makes it look easy
A good AMV makes it look fun
A great AMV makes it look hard
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Post by Vlad G Pohnert » Mon May 26, 2008 9:51 pm

I can't talk for Fanime, but I will comment on a few points about your comments as a Contest coordinator and AMV creator myself:

- Otakon for many years did not have a host (not sure right now)... Yea, it's nice to have the coordinator or someone introduce things, I agree... however it does not mean no one cares either

- Like all contests, I'm sure Famine replies on submissions from creators and does not have control on what is submitted or isn't. It's not the fault of the con or contest coordinator for what is submitted in a category on in general

- Well, lots of contests I know do a video or two from a category if it belongs in another. Not to say this was the case here, but it happens, even in some of the big ones without consultation.

- AMV luncheons are NOT the responsibility of the AMV contest coordinators in general... If you even look at AX, it has been a CREATOR that has organized it and not the contest coordinator. Even at AWA the contest coordinator does not organize lunch, dinner, etc... If you want to have it and no one is doing it, I suggest you could come forward and volunteer next year to organize it..

You are always entitled to your opinion, it just seems to me that some of these complaints are not really the fault of the contest or coordinator.

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Post by Autraya » Mon May 26, 2008 10:08 pm

NightlHlawk wrote: I sent Be A Man into Action(/Adventure?) and I See Someone Else... into Drama.

Unless they stuck Be A Man into comedy, I don't have a comedy entry.

I'm not sure which one you sent in though... but I'm sure it's good.
"Be a man" had all my friends in stitches, I thought it was supposed to be a comedy/parody having a joke at all those over the top mecha series :shock: I didn't realise it was a serious video... I suppose that's happened to one of mine before where i put it in "upbeat" yet everyone found it to be a parody/comic video 8-)
And I checked through my emails... looks like I did send the comedy/upbeat vid I thought I did afterall.

Erudito wrote:Secondly, what was up with action this year? This isn't so much a problem with the contest, unless it was on the fault of those choosing the videos. Flickering lights and explosions do not make a good action video. Can we start seeing videos that are not the generic explosions with weak effects type and see some that are focused on editing and timing, the aspects of the AMV that make them enjoyable?
ok.. I wasn't there but from what's posted on this thread and my guesses as to the vids that were sent along with what I know was sent... ummm what flashing and explosions (or vids) are you talking about? o.O
I've no idea how many made it through in each category but since I one of my vids was in action(and in the effects category- even though it's actually a horror video) and made it through I can see at least 4 vids from this thread alone that were in it not like that at all.... /is confused

Vlad wrote:- Like all contests, I'm sure Famine replies on submissions from creators
yeah they did.
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Post by anneke » Mon May 26, 2008 11:01 pm

The biggest problem with the contest I saw was the Ballots. They gave us ballots to write out what we thought was best, but no pencils to write with. AND no instructions. Should we put just the song title on the line, or the video title. And were we suppose to pick a fan favorite? No instructions were given.

THEN the list of videos being shown while useful so you could write down the video name or song or whatever onto your ballot, the listing of the videos was not in the 'play order' for the contest. WTF!

I do appreciate that you had the awards earlier then usual, as it made my drive/trip home easier. I would also have prefered the contest to be friday or atleast a better time then sunday afternoon.

But congradulations to all the winners. And thank you to those who voted for my video. Which I've now uploaded here.

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Post by Tsukin » Mon May 26, 2008 11:44 pm

gratz on the viewers choice 'best of show' award NightlHlawk =) the vid was awesome

yeah, although the new guy coordinating the contest has improved since last year, he still has a lot to work on, everything was much more professional when scott anime was heading it =/
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Post by Autraya » Tue May 27, 2008 12:04 am

Tsukin wrote:gratz on the viewers choice 'best of show' award NightlHlawk =) the vid was awesome
I hadn't heard the results but :up: that's what I was thinking when I posted before :) it definately deserves it.
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Post by MisterFurious » Tue May 27, 2008 12:32 am

anneke wrote:The biggest problem with the contest I saw was the Ballots. They gave us ballots to write out what we thought was best, but no pencils to write with. AND no instructions. Should we put just the song title on the line, or the video title. And were we suppose to pick a fan favorite? No instructions were given.
You also forgot to mention that the videos were not shown in the order in which they appeared on the finalist list. My wife wanted to vote for "the first or second" drama video that was shown, but the list was misleading. Had I not taken the time to note the order in which they were shown, she would have voted for the wrong video.

I agree, give us golf pencils......

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Post by milkmandan » Tue May 27, 2008 12:43 am

Erudito wrote: First off, I'd like to point out that there was no host. What kind of AMV contest has no host? Could they not find a staff member to take some time to MC the contest? I am used to events having someone there to coordinate everything and there was no one there to do so or no one who seemed to care enough to do so.
Yeah i kinda agree on that. No host at all is a little weird.
Erudito wrote: Secondly, what was up with action this year? This isn't so much a problem with the contest, unless it was on the fault of those choosing the videos. Flickering lights and explosions do not make a good action video. Can we start seeing videos that are not the generic explosions with weak effects type and see some that are focused on editing and timing, the aspects of the AMV that make them enjoyable?
Which ones did you think weren't so great?
Erudito wrote: Thirdly, one of my videos was moved out of the experimental category and was moved to comedy. I do not mind my video being moved to different categories, but at least ask my opinion in the matter. The video could have easily been considered action instead of being placed in a category that is blatantly is not like comedy. A little communication with the creators would be nice.
Most contest coordinators do not have a personal vendetta against you, and actually place your video probably thinking you had a better chance of winning in that category than the one you suggested.
Yes your opinion matters, but I highly doubt there was any malicious intent.
Erudito wrote: Fourth, speaking of communication why was the communication with the entrants of the competition so pathetic? We should have had a list of finalists weeks ago instead of none at all. Also when being told that a person did or did not make the finals the person should have been told what video did or did not make it. Try doing something more than a simple bulk letter.
Good point, thats pretty problematic, cause I had a buddy who thought he got in (he received the email for making it), but in fact his videos did not.
Erudito wrote: Fifth, why was there no AMV luncheon? Every competition I've been to has had a lunch for the creators. Just a little hospitality would have been nice. You don't even need to pay for food. Just a smiling face and the ability to gather everyone is all that is really required. Thankfully I knew some of the people in the contest and I could meet up and talk with them. However, when I first began competing meeting everyone was one of the best moments of doing the competitions.
I don't know where you are getting this idea. If you want an AMV meet and greet over lunch, coordinate this yourself on the forums or something. Fanime should be in no way personally responsible for setting this up for us. AX doesn't even do this. The AMV creators work it out themselves over the forums.
Erudito wrote: Sixth, this is a major convention, why is the competition treated like it's nothing? People work long hours making these videos and there should be a little more respect paid to the creators. More than that this is a major convention it has grow far beyond what it once was and yet the way the competition was handled felt like how small cons attempted their first contests act. The Fanime AMV contest is considered a major contest and a warm up for the AX contest. The Fanime staff should treat the competition that way.
This was a MAIN EVENT at Fanime, I don't know what else they can do to make it more important.
The poor turn out at the event is probably due to the fact that the attendees in general do not care about AMVs as much as other things (masquerade).
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Post by NightHawk » Tue May 27, 2008 1:13 am

Autraya wrote:
Tsukin wrote:gratz on the viewers choice 'best of show' award NightlHlawk =) the vid was awesome
I hadn't heard the results but :up: that's what I was thinking when I posted before :) it definately deserves it.
Thank you! I thought I was only going to get Experimental (mainly due to the cheers in comparison to the other vids)...wasn't expecting Best of Show at all.
Erudito wrote:Fifth, why was there no AMV luncheon? Every competition I've been to has had a lunch for the creators. Just a little hospitality would have been nice. You don't even need to pay for food. Just a smiling face and the ability to gather everyone is all that is really required. Thankfully I knew some of the people in the contest and I could meet up and talk with them. However, when I first began competing meeting everyone was one of the best moments of doing the competitions.
I actually made a thread in the Fanime forums asking if anyone was interested and got no replies. *shrug*

As for the output...not a lot of people went but I can only say what Ben said, people just might not care all that much about AMV's at Fanime. hehe
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