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Post by Yok/0 » Fri May 30, 2008 3:11 am

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Post by Deathscythe_Animated » Fri May 30, 2008 3:36 am

The Org features two different types of videos. AMV's and "Would you like some video with your effects wrapped up in an MP4 container?" vids. Take away the AMVs and you would probably lose only about 10% of the orgs users.

Seriously though, it doesn't matter to me whether a video has no effect or a lot of effects. When I edit, I pour all of my heart and emotion into the video. It's kind of like taking a snapshot of my emotional state at the time of editing and being able to view and recapture that feeling at any time I want. It wasn't always that way and since I have made this realization I haven't posted any more videos on the Org. I haven't really posted much since then either.

Watching and AMV for the first time many many many years ago I wanted more and more and I actually ran out of HD space because AMVs were an addiction. Then came editing. Then came the realization that AMVs really don't matter except to the people who create them. This is the natural order of things. You gain interest in doing something then you start losing interest more and more until you're just doing what you used to love by rote. You only do it because it made you happy once and you hope it will again. For example, I've been playing WoW for over two years now, over those two years I've leveled several characters and attempted to be recognized as the best in my class. Eventually, no matter how good I got, I came to the realization that there will always be someone better than me. It gave me more appreciation for the game because after that I could just sit back, relax, and just have fun. AMVs have become like this for me. I no longer have the drive to be the best...I just want to be.
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Post by Sephiroth » Fri May 30, 2008 5:54 am

AMVs are akin to fansubs in that in the begining it was about the anime, now it's about outdoing the other guys effects vid. I refuse to go along with such idiocy. Vids are really about enjoyment, fighting and flaming each other isn't enjoyable at all.

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Post by Megamom » Fri May 30, 2008 10:46 am

Yoko+ wrote:
Megamom wrote:The story of my life! :(
I can do your Eulogy if you like? : P
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Post by Garylisk » Fri May 30, 2008 12:59 pm

I'll chime in, mostly because I haven't done many AMVs since the era of "ZOMGEFFECTS" started, and I've never honestly been impressed by the effects themselves so much as the timing of cuts. A lot of the newer visually stunning videos still follow the equation for good editing. But I dunno, the effects never really do much more for me than make me say "Nifty." or some such. It's not like I go out raving about how much I love a video because OMG the effects were so awesome.

But seriously, the bigger problem in this website's community, in my opinion, is the way people treat others. I will not name any names, but there are certain individuals who make a lot of newcomers feel very unwelcome, and I do not agree with them finding immunity because they didn't technically break any rules, or that they've been around forever.

I am sure I wanted to say more, but can't think of anything right now.
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Post by Deathscythe_Animated » Fri May 30, 2008 2:01 pm

Garylisk wrote:But seriously, the bigger problem in this website's community, in my opinion, is the way people treat others. I will not name any names, but there are certain individuals who make a lot of newcomers feel very unwelcome, and I do not agree with them finding immunity because they didn't technically break any rules, or that they've been around forever.
This is very true. However, no matter what community you belong to, the elitists will always treat the noobs like noobs until you can prove that you keep up with them and that your work is just as good as theirs. So, maybe rather than everyone trying to outdo everyone else (especially in the field of effects), maybe quite a few people are just trying to get approval and acknowledgement from the community at large.
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Post by Yok/0 » Sat May 31, 2008 11:00 pm

Deathscythe_Animated wrote:
Garylisk wrote:But seriously, the bigger problem in this website's community, in my opinion, is the way people treat others. I will not name any names, but there are certain individuals who make a lot of newcomers feel very unwelcome, and I do not agree with them finding immunity because they didn't technically break any rules, or that they've been around forever.
This is very true. However, no matter what community you belong to, the elitists will always treat the noobs like noobs until you can prove that you keep up with them and that your work is just as good as theirs. So, maybe rather than everyone trying to outdo everyone else (especially in the field of effects), maybe quite a few people are just trying to get approval and acknowledgement from the community at large.
I have a cure for all this. It's called not caring. Who cares what effects that person added in the video or how many times (s)he pwned at a convention or two. To me when I won at a con or two, all that makes me feel is "oh look, I showed everyone I have the least social life in this hobby and I got a nice plastic trophy to show for it and I still hide em in my desk or bury in my drawer where I hide all my other shame. I hide these trophies better than I ever hid in my pornographic literature. I'd rather my weak grandmother find my porn mags and just die right on the spot from shock(I can only hope) before she found my 'Prize Trophys'."

Sure the elite will always look down on the noob. If you truely like the hobby, the elitists shouldn't be your problem. The whole thing is like a Retarded Olypmics(Yea..I know). Everyone in the hobby is retarded. Stop looking at the elitists as an elitists but instead view him/her as some other Retarded pimple poppin, pocky eating weaboo putz. The only difference from you and that elitists person was she/he was the retard that knew to tie his shoes/or charge the battery powered wheel chair.


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I've been playing WoW for over two years now, over those two years I've leveled several characters and attempted to be recognized as the best in my class. Eventually, no matter how good I got, I came to the realization that there will always be someone better than me.
Funny, I sometimes think that WoW/AMVS, run in the same program.
1. You need Special equip'd friends(guild) in order to survive.
2. Behind all those high stats is a person who pisses and shits like you
3. Both hobbys give you nothing to show for your achievements in return but more stuff your gonna wish you got rid of.

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in the begining it was about the anime
It's still about that. : /

which leaves me with this. One thing that sucks about being an anime buff.

On this forum your viewed to be a person with high Class of taste of anime who pays attention to what your seeing like paying attention to the animation, following the details ect.

But in the Public. If you are a person that watches Ergo Prozy/NGE/Serial Experiments Lain. Like a Certain Race, You'll always be tied down and stereotyped by your living contradiction.
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Post by Yok/0 » Sat May 31, 2008 11:09 pm

Yoko+ Wrote
The only difference from you and that elitists person was she/he was the retard that knew to tie his shoes/or charge the battery powered wheel chair before the race started,
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Post by Chiikaboom » Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:07 am

wut Yoko said.
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Post by outlawed » Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:11 am

Yoko+ wrote: Sephiroth Wrote
in the begining it was about the anime
It's still about that. : /

For the most part you are both correct. But make no mistake. There IS a difference between the level of anime fan making AMVs now vs the early internet years wave. This is not a fault as the newer generation of fans are nowhere near as hardcore as their predecessors simply because of the environment and progress in terms of the market opening up to international anime fans. Just as I cannot be as hardcore as those who pre-dated me so the same follows for those of you who come after me. There are easier and cheaper methods to obtain source footage legally (even imported) and ripping DVDs is the standard.

I highly doubt there are many people on here who paid ~ $800 to import a 49 episode TV series on Laserdisc and then introduce it to people through an AMV when most people didn't even have the option of seeing more than 12 episodes of it at anime clubs via VHS fansubs if they were really lucky at the time.

And if you want to get footage converted from NTSC DVDs you can just rip the disc now. You don't have to spend 1,000 -2,000 on a pro level capture card to have high quality results.

Things are good. Revel in the times I say. Myself? I'm happy for amazon.co.jp pre-order discounts and cheaper shipping charges since DVDs weigh slightly less than LDs =p

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