why is metal almost nonexistent in amvs?

[NS]

1) metal is extremly popular
2) There are MANY amvs out there using plenty of Metal music
3) There isn't stuff like death metal and grindcore and stuff being used (if that's more of what you're asking) because it is indeed fuckin' fast as hell, and can sometimes be a bitch to synch to, but I think it's just more because Metal music.. about 98% of the time is going to yield a mindless action vid, and people may not want to do just that.

I'd have no problem making an extremly fast amv or watching some cool mindless action. I don't like death metal because it makes my ears bleed, and not in a good way. Bass+someone screaming their lungs out at a microphone=\=music. It's not even useful in a cathartic way unless you really want to kill yourself, in which case we'd have much less people who like it anyways.

Well actually, I listen to that and enjoy it quite a bit, so I'd appreciate it if, when talking about music, you would structure your comments into the form of opinions, since that's what anything about musical preference is, not fact.

[Fall_Child42]

Therefore you always have to make some mindless fast paced action and gore video to any kind of brutal metal or otherwise the video won't be accepted, I've never seen a different approach to metal AMVs on this site and it's kinda disappointing since there is a lot of potential in the music that could be experimented with.

I've seen at least two Comedy "brutal metal" amvs
And some others that were focused on a story or some drama.

I don't think it's really fair to say everyone judges a metal video like a drama video. I judge it based on if I like the synching, and the other aspects I generally look for.

in essence it is me judging it like a drama video because I say to myself, does this synch well do i like the lyric synch do i like the atmosphere they are creating etc. Did I enjoy it? but this is also how i judge EVERY video.

and really besides asking myself did I like what they did, how else can I judge a video? And if metal videos are supposed to be judged differently, why don't other genre specific videos get special treatment?

[NS]

and really besides asking myself did I like what they did, how else can I judge a video? And if metal videos are supposed to be judged differently, why don't other genre specific videos get special treatment?

Because people aren't open minded enough to see the possibility that somebody could mix dance music with drama or violence and be successful.

[JudgeHolden]

Because metal sucks?

X2

[Fall_Child42]

and really besides asking myself did I like what they did, how else can I judge a video? And if metal videos are supposed to be judged differently, why don't other genre specific videos get special treatment?

Because people aren't open minded enough to see the possibility that somebody could mix dance music with drama or violence and be successful.

Thats been done

[NS]

and really besides asking myself did I like what they did, how else can I judge a video? And if metal videos are supposed to be judged differently, why don't other genre specific videos get special treatment?

Because people aren't open minded enough to see the possibility that somebody could mix dance music with drama or violence and be successful.

Thats been done

I know, I'm just saying, in general when people hear a song they probably think of only one type of video that could be made with it, and if somebody makes a video that's different then the obvious choice for the song they might either think that song choice sucked or that the video wasn't edited "right".

[Vivaldi]

And Vivaldi you should really listen to some Masonna or Merzbow to broaden your musical horizon a bit.

Sorry, but trying to kill me will get you nowhere.

Ok, seriously, of course everything related to tastes is at least somewhat subjective, but at the same time, I'm sick and tired of people always saying art is completly subjective in every sense. If so, we need to get rid of the opinion section right now, because everone elses opinion is worthless. Every narutoparkZ is the same quality of art as magic pad and twilight.

Now that I've said that, let me redact my previous statement, screamo deathmetal is music. I'd contend that it's very bad music, in the technical sense. With almost no tonality and weak rhythm. relying simply on volume and shock value for to put the body in an aggresive and adrenaline inducing state. Which is why people like it. That's not subjective as the only point of disscusion is truth of statement and facts I missed\wasn't aware of. The subjective part comes in when I say "it sounds awful"

However as to Merzbow, which I decided to look up a couple of songs of, all I can point to is this:

1 a: the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity b: vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony
2 a: an agreeable sound : euphony <her> b: musical quality <the>

The stuff I listened to had no unity, continuity, defined rhythm, melody, or harmony (the second definition didn't even apply at all) . To that end, from what I heard, I'd contend in a non-subjective way that, at least from the pieces I heard, Merzbow is not music, but rather noise. What is subjective is whether you like it. I have no problem with whether you like it or not. I just don't think it's music.

[Ingow]

I know, I'm just saying, in general when people hear a song they probably think of only one type of video that could be made with it, and if somebody makes a video that's different then the obvious choice for the song they might either think that song choice sucked or that the video wasn't edited "right".

Yes, exactly that's my point too.

and really besides asking myself did I like what they did, how else can I judge a video? And if metal videos are supposed to be judged differently, why don't other genre specific videos get special treatment?

They don't? On a website that's full of japanese wannabe otakus, isn't it obvious that japanese music would get automatic special treatment because it hits more of the personal tastes of most users?

But just look at all the metal sucks replies this thread alone got, even less people will actually comment a metal video or even download it. And now imagine in that minority even more people want to see a gory action video that uses Berserk and some guy being beheaded yeah fuck that it so brutal etc etc

For me though metal is pretty relaxing, whether you'd believe it or not, so if I'd do a metal video that's ignoring like 60% of the drums and beats people would think that it's badly edited while all I'd be doing is concentrating on the part of the music/song that I want to focus on personally. For example if I were to use lyric sync metal is usually pretty depressing so there could be sole drama videos, but they'd have to ignore 90% of the beats in the song, it would be hard for the average viewer to cope with that and how that's supposed to be on purpose.

That's why it's so hard to open the mind of AMV viewers towards new genres of music in AMVs, because the videos supporting those less used genres would have to be differently edited the more complex the music gets. You just can't hit every beat on a breakcore song, well you can but the outcome wouldn't be a very good representation of the music......actually it would be, but it wouldn't be a good AMV. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY

[Fall_Child42]

However as to Merzbow, which I decided to look up a couple of songs of, all I can point to is this:

1 a: the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity b: vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony
2 a: an agreeable sound : euphony <her> b: musical quality <the>

The stuff I listened to had no unity, continuity, defined rhythm, melody, or harmony (the second definition didn't even apply at all) . To that end, from what I heard, I'd contend in a non-subjective way that, at least from the pieces I heard, Merzbow is not music, but rather noise. What is subjective is whether you like it. I have no problem with whether you like it or not. I just don't think it's music.

Well, you may not like it, and you can believe it's not music; but as to whether something is music or not cannot be defined in such strict terms as you are suggesting.

Music is in the ear of the auditor I might say.

I'm not sure which Merzbow or Masonna you listened to, but I'm fairly certain they have unity and continuity. Their chaos is their unity. Sure, it doesn't have "defined rhythm", "melody", or "Harmony", but neither does forms of Native American song which relies on the length the singer can sustain a note, rather than a defined rhythm. Jazz musicians have long been breaking free of rhythm, harmony, and melody constraints. Is their instrument playing no longer music? Several birds do sing songs that have defined rhythm, harmonies and melodies. Are sounds occurring in nature "music"? Are those birds musicians? John Cage created a symphony with no notes; is it music?

It really does not matter how you answer those questions, because in the end, music is anything you choose to call music, and noise is anything you want to call noise.

Yes whether you like something is subjective, but so is whether you decide if something is "art".

And as for your other point, yes, a NarutoparkZ could be considered as good, if not better than Magic Pad. This opinion is to be held by the individual viewer. And if said viewer doesn't like Magic Pad for whatever reason, but instead likes this Naruto video, why are they wrong?

I'm not sure how subjectivity makes a place to express your opinion invalid. Since we have agreed that everyone's opinion is or has the capacity to be different, why would it make sense to remove a forum for expressing said opinion? Just because art is subjective doesn't mean the artist isn't interested in hearing what people have to say.

As for Ingow,
Yeah I get what you are trying to say, and to that I say "Fuck 'em!".
Who cares if other people get it. I'm not running for president here I'll make whatever I damn well please.

[Sukunai]

Normally I limit myself to "rap sucks".

Guess I'm just to old to give a flying f**k for metal, and too old to even recognize it.

"stuff like Death,dying fetus,mayhem,slayer etc"

Are those actually names of groups? Man that sounds aaaaaabsofricklutely unpalatable in the extreme.

I like my animes funny, or at least entertaining in a non harsh non violent non angry sounding fashion. And I sure don't want them loud and painful and comparable to the sound of a barrel full of cats rolling down a staircase eh.

I seem to encounter amvs occasionally though with music that sure isn't "light" or "easy listening". I usually delete that sort of stuff the second it's revealed for what it is.