For U.S. citizens: Requested DMCA exemption for AMVs, etc.

[Otohiko]

It's going to be illegal now, 10 years from now and forever to take something that was made by someone else and repackedge it for a group entertainment value without the copywriters consent.

Get it outta your head that this'll ever be legal guys... It won't.
If it ever becomes legal, i'm going to a blockbuster and taking every copy of every dvd home, ripping it on the pc, cutting a scene out and putting new music behind it. Then putting it online as a "new" movie.

You certainly have a high opinion of what goes into AMVing

[Megamom]

We'll be artists .... XD

[Voices_Of_Ryan]

It's going to be illegal now, 10 years from now and forever to take something that was made by someone else and repackedge it for a group entertainment value without the copywriters consent.

Get it outta your head that this'll ever be legal guys... It won't.
If it ever becomes legal, i'm going to a blockbuster and taking every copy of every dvd home, ripping it on the pc, cutting a scene out and putting new music behind it. Then putting it online as a "new" movie.

You certainly have a high opinion of what goes into AMVing

Come on Otohiko you know me better than that.
I have a very high opinion of amving but... sometimes theres a point in simplicity (the dumbing down of a statement).

[Otohiko]

Sure, I know. But you also have to realize that the idea of "intellectual property" as is being enforced by DMCA and the like is a very artificial and historically-unfounded one. Certainly there is room and reasonable ways for defining remix-art as distinct and tolerable - and it's not like we're trying to make bucks off of that either.

[Voices_Of_Ryan]

Sure, I know. But you also have to realize that the idea of "intellectual property" as is being enforced by DMCA and the like is a very artificial and historically-unfounded one. Certainly there is room and reasonable ways for defining remix-art as distinct and tolerable - and it's not like we're trying to make bucks off of that either.

Money or not, we're still taking something that wasn't ours to begin with. I feel like artists have always been prosicuted and 50% of the time it was probably because they did something wrong whether or not they thought it was wrong.

So while I agree we're artist in the best sense of the word. I have to admit that if I go to the walmart parking lot and spraypaint on it a portriat of a famous person. Even though the ground is "Technicly" ours (as humans) it's still a goverment given property and not ours in the laws terms.

[Fall_Child42]

Sure, I know. But you also have to realize that the idea of "intellectual property" as is being enforced by DMCA and the like is a very artificial and historically-unfounded one. Certainly there is room and reasonable ways for defining remix-art as distinct and tolerable - and it's not like we're trying to make bucks off of that either.

Money or not, we're still taking something that wasn't ours to begin with. I feel like artists have always been prosicuted and 50% of the time it was probably because they did something wrong whether or not they thought it was wrong.

So while I agree we're artist in the best sense of the word. I have to admit that if I go to the walmart parking lot and spraypaint on it a portriat of a famous person. Even though the ground is "Technicly" ours (as humans) it's still a goverment given property and not ours in the laws terms.

And yet having logos and advertisements all over the place including the night sky, the roads, spray painted onto sidewalks, and other publicly owned areas is completely legal.

So it seems it's alright for rich corporations to take OUR things away but not for us to take theirs.

[Otohiko]

Well simple question then - what is it that we are, in real terms, taking away from the original copyright owners?

Is it material value and sales, or is it just a stupid and senseless idea of "ownership" that, as I suggest, really has no material or historical basis in the first place - especially since we're not really working in a legitimately "physical" space to start with?

[Alex-ok]

Actually --
Still, though, encouraging.

Very.... ;_;

[Purge]

i didn't read the whole thing but theres an argument in there that using only a small fraction of an original work should be considered fair use but I dont see anything on how using a whole song can be fair use -