ErMac HELP! Huffyuv 3GB output

[Neo-Matrix]

ok i know you guys get questions like this 500 times a day, 7 days a week, but i didnt see any posts that looked like my problem so if i could get a reference or copy and paste the answer or just a quick answer for me.

when i encode my video in premiere(the video went from PSX2 to S-VHS to digital vidcam) and the music video is 900 MB, when i encode the video with Microsoft AVI as filetype, Huffyuv video compression, no audio compression, default settings version 1.3.1.

the end result is a video file over 3 gigabytes and even that video is choppy. this should be a lossless codec and make the filesize smaller.

ErMac, i know that you have the answer to all things ever invented which displays images in a sequence, AKA video. teach me, master.

[TokyoU15]

it could be the version of huffyuv you're using, try using the latest one, beta2.1, can't remember the exact version but it has a 2!

Anywho, it's not unusual to get a real big filesize, how long is the video?

[afleetinghope]

HuffYUV runs choppy on all but the best systems, but it's not meant to be watched. What you need to do is to read these two guides on how to make DivX & Mpeg encodes.

http://animemusicvideos.org/legacy/ErMaC/guide6.htm

http://animemusicvideos.org/legacy/ErMaC/guide7.htm

[TokyoU15]

OHyeah, I forgot to mention that.

yeah, huffyuv sucks nuts for playback so you need to compress it into something more playback friendly.

[Mechaman]

The last HuffYUV version is 2.1.1.
Note that you probably also have RGB compression turned on; to get the true compression out of HuffYUV, enable "<--Convert to YUY2" in the RGB box(and make sure YUY2 compression is on "Predict Median").

Also, how did you transfer it from your video camera? If it was via FireWire/IEEE1394, then it's in DV format, and you really don't need to convert it to HuffYUV(you can edit in native DV).

[grayplague]

...this should be a lossless codec and make the filesize smaller.

Last that I heard, Lossy compression produces a MUCH smaller file than Lossless.

[klinky]

Looks like you're using two different codecs here.

When you originally got a 900MB file that was probably some other codec, like MJPEG or possibly CinePack or Indeo.

HuffYUV usually comrpesses a UNCOMPRESSED stream by %50.

If you go from lossy to lossless, that's going to bloat the file size up, not down.

HuffYUV is not a web distro or a playback codec, it's meant for editing and exporting with out losing image quality.

Once you have your project exported as HuffYUV , then you can follow one of the other ErMaC guide's on creating a MPEG or DIVX file.


~klinky

[Neo-Matrix]

first of all, IM NOT STUPID. thanks for your help, but for those who told me lossy is smaller than lossless, I KNOW!! i meant that huffyuv made my 900mb into 3 gig, instead of 900 to ?mb. smaller than the ORIGINAL, not smaller than a lossy codec. the original export was microsoft dv avi, ntsc or somethin(uncompressed format). after i did that, i opened the dv avi file(900mb) in premier and exported with huffyuv(not the latest... sorry). so what you're saying is that if i export in huffyuv, then compress with whatever's next in the steps of ermac's guide(the divx encode one) which, by the way, i already read through all of his guides, then it will have good playback again? ill get the new huffyuv, then ill try it again, then add on the other compressors. by the way, when im using divx 3.11a, do i select slow motion or fast motion in the compression list? thanks.

[klinky]

Well there you go, DV is a lossy video standard.

I don't know why you asked if you already knew that lossy was smaller then losslesss.

When convetering codecs it goes like so:

Original Codec ----> Uncompressed ------> New codec.

So it decompresses the DV video and then re-compresses with huffYUV.
As I said before HuffYUV usually yields a %25 - $50 reduction in filesize over Uncompressed video, DV on the other hand is totally different.


You need to export from Premiere first in HuffYUV, you don't want to compress in DV then to huffYUV, since quality is lost when you goto DV and all that huffYUV can do is prevent further quality loss from there.


Use VirtualDub/ Nandub, you can follow ErMaC's guide if you want. I usually just do a 1-pass low motion DivX3.11a encode.


~klinky

[Neo-Matrix]

but my source material was encoded in dv AVI. i have been told many times that AVI is NOT COMPRESSED!!! my source material was 8 gigs, the entire FFX cinematic bunch... after editing and removing the original sound and adding my music, it was 900mb. i still dont know why huffyuv would make the filesize half of the entire source material, when the video is 4 min long compared to over an hour source. i just cant get this video to be compressed and actually work! so if i go from source of uncompressed(as i am told...) avi(maybe not DV avi on the source, but regular avi) to what? nandub, huffyuv, divx? ermacs guide didnt work for me.

btw i tried encoding with divx twice, once low motion once on fast motion, both times the video lags behind the audio.