Eureka 7

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Re: Eureka 7

Post by TEKnician » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:05 pm

JudgeHolden wrote:I marthoning this show, not because I want to plow though it, but because I can't stop watching.


So, Question .... Eureka and Renton for most co-dependent couple in all of anime? Discuss!
As musch as I want them to be, I think they are very close to the top. I must say, if they did not meet, their lives would have been complete crap. It's kind of funny how each episode seems to reveal how both come to a realization about themselves and that they each grow a little more mature. This is my favorite coulple, but I wouldn't say the most co-dependant.

I watched this series from beginning to end twice already! Why? One word: STORYLINE. My rating: 9/10.

Any oppose?
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Re: Eureka 7

Post by EkaCoralian » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:51 pm

10/10 for me. Story, art, music; everything in this show appealed to me.
'Looking forward to recieving the Blu-Ray of the movie in the mail in three days as well. :'D
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Re: Eureka 7

Post by Ishbalan » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:20 pm

This show has one of the most memorable casts of characters I have ever seen. You can really tell how much the production crew loved the characters they've created, in how much time was spent developing the members of the Gekkostate, and spending time with them. Most magnificent is the Renton-Eureka pairing, which to me, is one of the purest romances anime has to offer. I think that this is one of BONES' top series, the only being topped for me by personal favorite Fullmetal Alchemist.

Unfortunately, like many BONES series, the plot and writing takes a backseat to the characters, often branching off in tangents where no support lay before. The characters Anemone and Dominic were largely underdeveloped and sometimes wouldn't make an appearance for 5 episodes at a time. We never really learned where TheEnd came from or why Anemone was the way she was. When Dominic announced his love for Anemone, there had been nothing prior to indicate they even liked each other, and the episode Anemone showed anything but contempt for him was the same episode they had their great emotional reunion. Similarly, when it was revealed that the unnamed planet where the story takes place was in fact a shell encompassing the Earth, there had never been anything to suggest that the planet wasn't the Earth, simply far in the future. A little history earlier on would have done much greater to make this a more profound moment. Many of Dewey's role as the villian didn't really come into play until the second half of the series. Despite being ever-present and a magnificent figurehead to be hated, he did nothing significant until around episode 30. Looking at the plot more as a whole, besides the romance, it is a pretty typical mecha anime. I've noticed a lot of parallels with Evangelion in particular, including the pilots and the semi-sentient partially bionic machines. The scene where Renton goes apeshit on an enemy KLFwhile defending Holland is a clear homage to the Eva scene involving the Unit 03. The Limit of Questions/Life is just a little way away from being the Instrumentality Project, and the Coralians are an alien presence showing many resemblences to the Angels. Speaking of such things, Eureka Seven is really obnoxious about it's terminology usage. Having watched the entire show twice, I am still confused about many things that were mentioned in passive dialogue and never properly addressed. Things like the Summer of Love, The Great Wall, The Scub Corals, and The Zone were only brought up when they started to play an important role. Some better writing could have prevented a lot of confusion in this.
Most important of all, I am still confused as to why Renton and Eureka had to take their journey in the last quarter in the series. As soon as Holland recognised Renton as "Eureka's choice," everyone was suddenly at an understanding that they had to go and save the world.

All things considered, I give a 7/10. Great cast, could have done better in the story. Good overall.

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Re: Eureka 7

Post by JudgeHolden » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:13 am

@Ishbalan : I would have to agree and disagree with you about Dominick's and Anemone's relationship. I agree that they do not get enough face-time in the series as a whole. I disagree that there is no indication as to how they feel for each other until their reunion. Unlike Renton and Eureka, their relationship is far more subtle. However, Dominic's feeling are far more apparent then Anemone's (Like risking his life going to ground zero of the 7th swell to save Anemone, and when he meets Renton there he says "It looks like we have both fallen for difficult girls" or something close to that). Now we really don't see Anemone's feelings until much later (though they are subtle indications throughout). Anemone's feeling become apparent when Dominick brings her the anemone flower, then he kisses her and she bites his lip, but only after a few moments. Then Anemone says something, I can't remember the line however the undertow of the line has to do with her self-doubt that she could ever be loved. Now from this episode on, watch closely .... every scene with Anemone up until her reunion with Dominic (minus the ballroom scene) she has the flower that she resented Dominic bringing her ... it becomes more and more wilted until the scene where she is getting ready to leave on the final mission, then you see the flower in a glass of water and looking more "alive". It is her own self-loathing that gets in the way of her showing her true feelings for Dominic and she can't even admit them to herself until he is gone. So, I feel you missed the subtleties of their relationship.

As for TheEnd ... ya they never really explain where it came from. As for Anemone, they do explain her and why she is the way she is. When Dominic goes to Warsaw to find Anemone's replacement we discover the truth. She was a war orphan from Warsaw who was brought to the labs there. It was at these labs that they used DNA they had obtained from Eureka to genetically modify Anemone in an attempt to create an artificial Correllian to control TheEnd. They only partially succeeded, look closely at her eyes and you see a red line across her iris, while a red circle is around Eurekas eyes. The mad scientist there says that Anemone was unique in that she had a high resistance to the drugs they where giving her ... in other words, she was the only one to live through the process. This becomes more apparent when Dominic is shown the replacements who look almost like Eureka, however they to die in the final stage of the experiment. Dominic also says at one point that the drugs are eating away at Anemone's mind.

I agree that the termnology of the series is annoying. This is my biggest complaint on the series. Also, I'm not a fan of the surfing mechs. :down:

However, I love the storytelling and character devlopment! :up:

So a 9/10 from me! :up:

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Re: Eureka 7

Post by Ishbalan » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:27 am

Now that you mention it, I do remember that line Dominic said to Renton early on, but I must have forgotten it by the last quarter of the series, when he became serious about it. I'll also recognise the thing with the flower, but I suppose I was more hung up on the symbolism the flower had of "loss of all hope." I thought that she kept the withering flower to represent her fading sanity and increasing despair due to the damage of the drugs. As for her origin, that was a connection I'm ashamed I didn't make, but the subtlety of the explanations in the show certainly didn't help. Going further, I suppose that we could make similar assumptions about TheEnd paralleling Anemone, but thats not something a normal firsttime watcher a figure out.
This just strengthens my argument that the characters are the forefront to every other aspect of the show.

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Re: Eureka 7

Post by Ishbalan » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:22 am

Need to say one more thing.

God Tier OST.

That is all.

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Re: Eureka 7

Post by EkaCoralian » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:37 pm

Ishbalan wrote:Need to say one more thing.

God Tier OST.

That is all.
Seconded!
I've been listening to the series' OST on my iPod a lot lately. :up:
Hopefully I can get the movie's OST on it soon as well.
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Re: Eureka 7

Post by TEKnician » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:17 pm

I probably don't even need to say this, but Bones likes to copy animation sequences to make less work for themselves in the future. Compare Nirvash "ascending upwards into green clouds" sequence in ep 26 w/ ep 48. Needless to say, again, the movie took a whole bunch from the anime and just added over it.

I wonder if they're going to do the same thing for Heroman.
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Re: Eureka 7

Post by EkaCoralian » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:37 pm

The_TEKnician wrote:I probably don't even need to say this, but Bones likes to copy animation sequences to make less work for themselves in the future. Compare Nirvash "ascending upwards into green clouds" sequence in ep 26 w/ ep 48. Needless to say, again, the movie took a whole bunch from the anime and just added over it.

I wonder if they're going to do the same thing for Heroman.
I knew that before the movie even was released in theaters. They talked about it in some interview with the director, I think.
And anyways, I think they re-used animation because of the economy at the time (and even now.) Its great that they had at least enough money to edit the re-used footage, though (eg.: Holland yelling in the cockpit of the Devilfish at night turns into Holland yelling in the cockpit of the Devilfish in broad daylight.)

I doubt they'd do that with Heroman. So far I have only seen re-used motion sequences in Xam'd: Lost Memories (and so the only area of BONES who has done that has been the animators behind E7 and Xam'd.) I've seen no other use of re-used scenes.
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