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Re: What to do!?

Post by Kionon » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:59 am

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(sorry, I don't like people that have more money spent on dvds of anime than my house and hummer h3)
>hummer h3

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I was too nice to mention this, but yeah. Not even a real Humvee. Bet he lives in the suburbs and the only thing he loads or moves is his golf clubs...

Also I could buy your hummer 3 several times over, but I choose to have a retirement instead.
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Re: What to do!?

Post by kickass331 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:01 pm

Mister Hatt wrote:MPEG4 does not mean H.264. It can be multiple codecs (and containers). MPEG4-AVC is what bluray has. MPEG4-ASP for example is what XviD and DivX are. VC-1 is by no means a shitty codec, it just isn't as good as AVC. There are times when MPEG2 is better than AVC as well.

Constant ratefactor is there because it's useful, while constant quantizer is there for situations which require it, mostly for testing purposes. x264 is after all still in alpha.

VFR is usually used at 23.976fps and 29.970fps together, which is more than 2 fps difference and can reduce a 24 minute episode to 19 minutes. It does impact bitrate quite significantly. You probably don't notice motion problems because you don't seem to understand how anything works, and as you stated in regard to the FMA troll bluray, you're quite obviously blind. Your last sentence doesn't even make sense, especially as you grouped bluray as a picture coding standard like PAL and NTSC when in reality it's a format that uses those standards. I wonder if you even know how to IVTC something properly or not. A fair bit of anime for example is natively 29.970fps in the first place and doesn't require IVTC. Bakemonogatari for example is VFR with telecined, soft telecined, and progressive material all in a single episode on the DVD. You would fuck that up massively by IVTCing the entire thing.
as for your MPEG-4 rant, I already know the difference between part 2 and part 10, but thanks for telling me what I already know. DivX is crap so it's stupid to even care that that is MPEG-4 because it is a POS codec and that is why it is not standardized on any disc. vfr is a stupid idea, if people do that I will simply split the media and IVTC the the telecine, force film the soft telecine, and preserve the progressive, btw I have IVTC'd a progressive DVD of the first bleach movie and all it did was basically make it look exactly the same. see my riding and soaring far video for that. and of course birate will differ if framerate fluctuates more than 2 fps, that's why I qualified my statement earlier, or are you ignoring me? the naotaku flcl videos look fine. I'm not blind, FMA is just a really great upscale. when I said pal and ntsc I was referring to dvds, blu rays are universally 720p,1080i,1080p so the 480i/576i and 480p/576p is not something that I wanted to discuss. the naotaku flcl videos will show you I can IVTC.
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Re: What to do!?

Post by mirkosp » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:13 pm

You seem to not understand the issue: he was presenting you with the fact that some sources are, in fact, 29.97 to begin with, and forcing them to 23.976 would make the motion look jerky.
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Re: What to do!?

Post by kickass331 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:03 pm

mirkosp wrote:You seem to not understand the issue: he was presenting you with the fact that some sources are, in fact, 29.97 to begin with, and forcing them to 23.976 would make the motion look jerky.
29.976 is ntsc and only occurs with interlacing, 23.976 is the same amount of visual data. the 5th frame is a blended frame, it is called telecining. Footage that is not telecine does not need 23.976 fps, in that case it is 30fps progressive. It is ok to be 30 fps then. If something is PAL, 25 fps, or is not telecine and is ntsc, then it is better to force film 25 is close to 24, and material that is interlaced and not telecined is best matched to the source material with force film. Finding DVDs that are telecine is really an advantage and is the best version of interlaced material.
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Re: What to do!?

Post by mirkosp » Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:48 pm

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mirkosp wrote:You seem to not understand the issue: he was presenting you with the fact that some sources are, in fact, 29.97 to begin with, and forcing them to 23.976 would make the motion look jerky.
29.976 is ntsc and only occurs with interlacing, 23.976 is the same amount of visual data. the 5th frame is a blended frame, it is called telecining. Footage that is not telecine does not need 23.976 fps, in that case it is 30fps progressive. It is ok to be 30 fps then. If something is PAL, 25 fps, or is not telecine and is ntsc, then it is better to force film 25 is close to 24, and material that is interlaced and not telecined is best matched to the source material with force film. Finding DVDs that are telecine is really an advantage and is the best version of interlaced material.
...you really don't understand. DVDs can be vfr. In fact, allow me to bring you an example. The DVDs of LOGH have both 23.976 telecined scenes and 29.97 full interlaced sequences. And yes, the 29.97 sequences are fully animated and so are the 23.976 one. Arbitrarily picking a framerate will make the motion of the other look jerky. If you still don't understand then I'll just quit trying. I'm not sure how much good helping a troll will do anyway.
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Re: What to do!?

Post by kickass331 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:46 pm

mirkosp wrote:
kickass331 wrote:
mirkosp wrote:You seem to not understand the issue: he was presenting you with the fact that some sources are, in fact, 29.97 to begin with, and forcing them to 23.976 would make the motion look jerky.
29.976 is ntsc and only occurs with interlacing, 23.976 is the same amount of visual data. the 5th frame is a blended frame, it is called telecining. Footage that is not telecine does not need 23.976 fps, in that case it is 30fps progressive. It is ok to be 30 fps then. If something is PAL, 25 fps, or is not telecine and is ntsc, then it is better to force film 25 is close to 24, and material that is interlaced and not telecined is best matched to the source material with force film. Finding DVDs that are telecine is really an advantage and is the best version of interlaced material.
...you really don't understand. DVDs can be vfr. In fact, allow me to bring you an example. The DVDs of LOGH have both 23.976 telecined scenes and 29.97 full interlaced sequences. And yes, the 29.97 sequences are fully animated and so are the 23.976 one. Arbitrarily picking a framerate will make the motion of the other look jerky. If you still don't understand then I'll just quit trying. I'm not sure how much good helping a troll will do anyway.
just use an adaptive decimator when you ivtc such as TDecimate or FDecimate and it will automatically remove the arbitrary frames and resynchronize everything, it will be seamless because it will simply remove the frame no matter how arbitrary. just read this : http://neuron2.net/fdecimate/fdecimate.html
also there is an old doom9 guide that I read years ago that is on their main guide section for using dvddecrypter, dgindex, and avisynth.
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Re: What to do!?

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Re: What to do!?

Post by kickass331 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:11 pm

guides->other stuff-> dvd basics-> telecine explained, a couple paragraphs down will prove I'm right. also, I hate that you can't edit posts anymore, unless it's this stupid theme I have on the forum. I'll try out the one with avatar on the left now. :|
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Re: What to do!?

Post by Mister Hatt » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:29 pm

What about the blurays with 480i/480p/576i/576p content? There are 6 that I know of, and a lot more that have it as a non-main feature, for example the Xam'd blurays.
Also, stop linking doom9, it's ancient outdated shit. We use doom10 now, but it lacks guides, as they are not necessary.

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Re: What to do!?

Post by kickass331 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:13 am

Mister Hatt wrote:What about the blurays with 480i/480p/576i/576p content? There are 6 that I know of, and a lot more that have it as a non-main feature, for example the Xam'd blurays.
Also, stop linking doom9, it's ancient outdated shit. We use doom10 now, but it lacks guides, as they are not necessary.
sorry, but i've been out of the loop for over a year. also, who the fuck uses special features for amvs?
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