Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

[Cyrix]

I listed much more than one thing it fails on but you didn't even test to see if I was right;

This is somewhat like me telling you your car doesn't go over 45 miles an hour. You don't need to go out and test it to already know if I'm right.

You said VLC plays h264 correctly. It doesn't.

Oh wait, it does. No playback issues whatsoever, seeks perfectly. What isn't perfect about it?

It also doesn't support FLV or MKV properly

I've never had it struggle with FLV or MKV. I've got FLVs I've created and others I've ripped off of sites and they all play fine. I've also got a bunch of episodes and AMVs encoded to MKV's (one of them using h264 even) and they seek rapidly and display no artifacts or problems.

and on VOB, TS, and M2TS it is iffy.

This means what?

It doesn't support MOV or MP4 properly either.

Still looking for any MOV or MP4 it doesn't handle properly.

It fails on AVI and WMV at times too.

Really? It plays broken AVIs with no index and both AVI and WMVs that don't even have the complete file present.

As far as codecs, it craps bricks on non-1:1 PAR XviD/DivX.

Does it?

I haven't tried DV or Cinepak in it, nor h263, but I imagine they are just as broken.

They are just as broken, in that they aren't broken. Well, I don't know about Cinepak, I brought that up as a joke because it's the worst codec I've ever seen and I don't think it's been used by anyone since the early ninties when it was actually relevant.

Maybe these things you say are true in certain cases, but you word them as global absolutes, and since I consume a fairly large amount of videos and use VLC daily and I've never encountered any of the problems you are presenting as constants, it is difficult to take them as the god's truth

[Mister Hatt]

Or maybe you're just unable to distinguish the problems from decent playback. As far as my words being "global absolutes" as you put it, they really are. I'm always right, and if you're arguing with me, you're wrong.

[Cyrix]

Well, SFT,

h264+mkv
h264+mp4
xvid+mkv
flv


Oh, all playing flawlessly at the same time.

[Cyrix]

*xvid+avi

[Mister Hatt]

Nobody said EVERY file will fail. Those are also all fairly standard without any funkier things. Throw a non-1:1 PAR XviD file at it, or an MKV with multiple editions. Also don't bother replying because none of us care anymore, you've proven too stubborn for anyone to take you seriously any longer.

[Quu]

Mister Hatt, that picture of VLC failing is pre 1.0

I am doing a test with different encoders vs playback platforms, and have tried to engage you with reference to mplayer, i have some specific questions about mplayer in that thread.

but for some reason, that thread is to hard for you to follow, or is a pain

I need to get a hold of Kionon and the sample file he had last night that was failing, if it fails under the 1.2 branch (ie CVS), i can give it to the vlc devs. they actually like hard samples, stuff to be able to look at to see "why"

you may be an encoder for a living, but I am a tester for a living. I am trying to EXACTLY test and determine any issues so they can be addressed. I do not say that VLC is the very best application ever, and I don't say mplayer is either. I want to run a set of tests to find out. I need sample data to run the tests with, I need additional scenarios to make sure that any information is valid.

If you are so sure that VLC will fail, then I would expect you to fall over yourself in trying to help me, to make sure i get my testing right.

[Cyrix]

Mister Hatt, that picture of VLC failing is pre 1.0

[Kionon]

Mister Hatt, that picture of VLC failing is pre 1.0

I'd hold off there, Cyrix. Quu and I go way back, and while his areas of expertise are different than Hatt's, he has them, and this was never in doubt. Don't presume you have some sort of ally in Quu just because he is asking for clarification.

Patrick, I woke up after you left IRC, but I'll be around all day. Remember that whole half a world away thing...

[Mister Hatt]

I think I did in fact mention that it was old, however 1.3.0 or whatever the latest is still has that problem. It's gold.

[mirkosp]

I think I did in fact mention that it was old, however 1.3.0 or whatever the latest is still has that problem. It's gold.

I can confirm this on 1.1.3. Random blocks are especially common when hitting chapter points, and seeking tends to have them too, regardless if open-gops were used or not. Also, it still has a 50:50 fail ratio when seeking, it doesn't seem to be able to hit the chapters but seeks to a random point previous to them, despite the chapters point being perfectly timed (and I can confirm this with MPC-HC chapter seeking too).