The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Process

[BasharOfTheAges]

You're entitled to your opinion, but I respectfully disagree. It's a bar, but it's a pretty low one.

Think of it as an 'are you capable of using google' style catchpa.

[LittleAtari]

You're entitled to your opinion, but I respectfully disagree. It's a bar, but it's a pretty low one.

cool

[Arigatomina]

...no body knows what the heck it is. THAT is the generation we are faced with today.

This should be repeated over and over in every one of these improvement threads. If we're targetting this generation, we have to accept the fact that they're different from us. If we want them to come to us, we have to conform to them - not the other way around. It's this "let them learn if they want in" attitude that keeps them out. If you want to stick with that attitude, then there's no point inviting them in. This is like listening to old people lecture kids about how handwritten letters are better than emails and text messages, and then they complain that the kids don't keep in touch with them anymore. I wonder why.

Just to second the point LittleAtari is making here, I've also encountered the "what's FTP??" problem. My other hobby involves transferring large files and the people I'm talking to would rather send them by email, one 10mb attachment per email, for 10+ emails, than try to learn this mysterious and complicated FTP thing. These are people who consider megaupload too difficult to use. Think about that for a minute. It's embarrassing and frustrating, but that's the trend the net is moving toward and you have to accept that. If you really want what these people have to offer (their amvs), then you'll have to take it however they're willing to get it to you. That means easy and simple and no outside programs or guides.

If you aren't willing to cater to them, that's fine. Say so and we can stop pretending we're willing to lower our requirements in order to get them back into the org fold.

[BasharOfTheAges]

@Arigatomina - as a technical hobby, there's every right for us to have a bare minimum of technical understanding to get shit done, no? I mean, hell... these people need to be able to use pretty complicated editing software and DVD rippers and whatnot. I argue, suffering the fools is as sure of a path to demise than accepting them as they are. They certainly can't survive actually participating in the hobby without some degree of desire or at least willingness to learn. The inability to search for a simple answer to a question on google should raise some red flags somewhere, shouldn't it? At some point it becomes unfair to them to not send the wake up call.

[Nya-chan Production]

because my teacher didn't teach us how to use FTP in our INTERNET class.

EDIT: Looking back on that HTML class project, yes it wasnt efficient to not use FTP, but point is: you didnt even need FTP to make a website.

I think your teacher fails, if he does FTP for you - you can't do literally anything considering web sites and uploads without it. Heck I have at least three things that can do FTP on my PC (FileZilla, pwolFTP, Total Commander) and I know of a few sites that I can upload FTP with which are web-based.

Do you want me to name for you how many programs are out there that all meant to do the same task? Do you really need three FTP clients? It doesnt matter how widely available the clients are. It matters how often you have to use them.

Also, besides the Org, name the sites that you use FTP on and for what use.

Also, I learned a lot from my HTML class, thank you. I learned HTML in it, not FTP. Granted, it would've been nice to know, but when the students final is to just get a 5 page website up on the nets, it's not all that necessary. For me, it was a big deal because i had like 20+ pages with God knows how many images

1) No, I don't - I need only two, because FileZilla has nicer SSH and Total Commander has file browsing. pwolFTP I have for testing reasons, but for a newbie on org it would be the easiest solution. I use FTP or similar things about weekly, if not more - mainly for developing sites.

2) This is more personal, so we should cut it out, but let me ask you two things - if you wrote a HTML page now and you wouldn't know about FTP, what would you do? Look at the nice HTML code in your PC? And number of pages and images isn't really telling anything, advanced programmers can write you a short code that will generate you countless pages with pictures (think danbooru system without tags). The problem here is standard, so I should rather ask whether your pages were W3C compliant and whether they showed correctly on most browsers. In bussiness I would also ask about SEO.

For point 2 I'd welcome an answer in the PM rather than here ^^

[LittleAtari]

1) No, I don't - I need only two, because FileZilla has nicer SSH and Total Commander has file browsing. pwolFTP I have for testing reasons, but for a newbie on org it would be the easiest solution. I use FTP or similar things about weekly, if not more - mainly for developing sites.

2) This is more personal, so we should cut it out, but let me ask you two things - if you wrote a HTML page now and you wouldn't know about FTP, what would you do? Look at the nice HTML code in your PC? And number of pages and images isn't really telling anything, advanced programmers can write you a short code that will generate you countless pages with pictures (think danbooru system without tags). The problem here is standard, so I should rather ask whether your pages were W3C compliant and whether they showed correctly on most browsers. In bussiness I would also ask about SEO.

For point 2 I'd welcome an answer in the PM rather than here ^^

My issue is: WHO is this standard for?
Quit telling me "o it's standard" if I rarely have to use it. Did it ever occur to you that there could be more than one standard and each may be practiced for different reasons in different places? I'm saying this is one of the places where we would benefit from not forcing FTP, but keeping it around just in case.

and like i said, in my previous post, yea FTP would've been nice for that HTML project, but my point was even though it was stupid to not use FTP, at the time, i didnt use it. That's all i have to say about my high school adventures.

I'm going to sleep for the night guys, bye.

[Nya-chan Production]

I am just saying that the advantages of non-FTP upload are too low for Org as of now. This might change in the future, of course, but for now the benefits are too small.

[BasharOfTheAges]

standard

[Arigatomina]

I argue, suffering the fools is as sure of a path to demise than accepting them as they are. They certainly can't survive actually participating in the hobby without some degree of desire or at least willingness to learn. The inability to search for a simple answer to a question on google should raise some red flags somewhere, shouldn't it? At some point it becomes unfair to them to not send the wake up call.

I agree completely. In fact, I think these threads are all weird because...what would the org be if it didn't have insanely high bars that few editors can ever hope to reach? Lowering the various standards here might refresh the activity, but it would snuff out the 'editing is serious business' core. If the org loses its identity as site for 'serious-minded, high-standard' editors, then it'll just be just another tube. And why would people come to this tube when they're already comfortable on the existing one? If more people would admit they don't want to invite the unwashed masses in, this whole topic could be closed and we can all get back to not making amvs. ^^;

So, yes, I agree the bar is really low and if they still can't cut it, then the org doesn't want them. Not the lazy ones, not the ones who refuse to take a few minutes to get what they're after instead of having it handed to them on a platter. These are the people the forumers have always complained about and they've just gotten worse over the years. Can I imagine someone incapable or unwilling to learn FTP actually reading through the 'all things A&V' guide? No. There's no way. I think the cut off is a good thing. It keeps them out. It's my opinion that the org is for editors and the higher they place the bar the more the surviving editors will produce quality vids.

The number of vids are dropping and will continue to drop, but as fewer vids are uploaded here, it's easier to find the well-edited ones. Is that a bad thing? Not for people with high standards. I might get frustrated that I have to go to the tube to find vids for my favorite anime since the better editors here avoid mainstream anime with a vengeance, but that's the price we pay to keep the org what and where it is.

Personally, I thank the org for forcing me to learn and use FTP. I use it all the time now. I feel sorry for the people I talk to who've never even heard of it. It's a little complicated to learn, but once you learn it actually using it is quick and easy. It makes so many things so much easier. They don't know what they're missing. It's sad.

Bottom Line: If the org wants them, ftp has to go because it's too much trouble for them to use. If the org doesn't want them, then why are we even talking about this?

[Mastamind]

Come on, people. There are MULTIPLE GUIDES here on how to upload a video, and we STILL have threads by newbies asking how to work FTP. That should be pretty embarassing, for a video site.
Aren't these threads ultimately aimed at providing a more welcoming experience for newbies and a more comfortable .org for everyone else? Having a simpler upload process would help accomplish that, no? Yeah, FTP's simple once you learn it, but I think everyone knew what LittleAtari meant by a "standard"...