Voices as instruments?

[CorpseGoddess]

If I'm going to be using a song where people are singing, but using their voices as instruments and not a vehicle to deliver actual lyrics, does that qualify checking off the video as "instrumental" in the categories available?

I'm just curious as to people's notions about this.

[dj_ultima_the_great]

Something like this, you mean? It's a tough call, because the voice is considered an instrument, but I'm leaning towards "no." I think that if I watched a video with that kind of music that I wouldn't think of it as an instrumental.


- Jen

[CorpseGoddess]

Something like this, you mean? It's a tough call, because the voice is considered an instrument, but I'm leaning towards "no." I think that if I watched a video with that kind of music that I wouldn't think of it as an instrumental.


- Jen

No, not quite like that. The song I'm going to be using isn't a cappella; it uses traditional instruments with the voices overlaid making sounds as well. But the sounds aren't actual words, they become part of the weave of the song.

[Fall_Child42]

When I did that with ...



I marked it as instrumental.

[CorpseGoddess]

When I did that with ...



I marked it as instrumental.

Nope, not like that either. Here, I'll post the song I'll be using:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0PGK7a2IFo

The video itself is a great watch, as well.

[dj_ultima_the_great]

Oh, okay. Now I get what you're getting at. No, I wouldn't consider that instrumental. Just because the lyrics aren't actual words doesn't mean that they're not lyrics. I mean, ES Posthumus uses nonsensical syllables in their Piri Reis album to simulate a language, and Sigur Ros does it too with their "language" of Hopelandic. The "words" are being used to express a mood or emotion rather than meaning, and I think that your song falls into the same category. They are lyrics... technically.


- Jen

[Fall_Child42]

See I would disagree, I think lyrics means words from a language.
and phonemes are the sounds that make up words but are not words themselves.
(i think it would be different if they were onomonipeia(sp?)


I would say it is instrumental, much like jazz-scat, or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bHCGMgir-g
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bHCGMgir-g

[Fall_Child42]

See I would disagree, I think lyrics means words from a language.
and phonemes are the sounds that make up words but are not words themselves.
(i think it would be different if they were onomonipeia(sp?)


I would say it is instrumental, much like jazz-scat, or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bHCGMgir-g
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bHCGMgir-g

the second link should be this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWmOBX2K0WM

[CorpseGoddess]

See I would disagree, I think lyrics means words from a language.
and phonemes are the sounds that make up words but are not words themselves.
(i think it would be different if they were onomonipeia(sp?)


I would say it is instrumental, much like jazz-scat, or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bHCGMgir-g
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bHCGMgir-g

the second link should be this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWmOBX2K0WM

That's the way I was leaning as well. I feel that voices are instruments when making sounds that aren't an intelligible language, or aren't trying to convey something through the use of words.

[BasharOfTheAges]

See I would disagree, I think lyrics means words from a language.
and phonemes are the sounds that make up words but are not words themselves.
(i think it would be different if they were onomonipeia(sp?)


I would say it is instrumental, much like jazz-scat, or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bHCGMgir-g
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bHCGMgir-g

the second link should be this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWmOBX2K0WM

That's the way I was leaning as well. I feel that voices are instruments when making sounds that aren't an intelligible language, or aren't trying to convey something through the use of words.

What about something like: ?

Spoiler :

That's gibberish they're spouting there FWIW. It's a trick for laying down vocals before you have them written. They had music and wanted something to sound like that..... and then never got around to putting actual lyrics in.