Voices as instruments?

[JaddziaDax]

I would be conflicted as well... I probably wouldn't mark it as instrumental.

I guess it could depend on if you were going to lipsync or not... if you lipsync then it kills the idea of vocals as instruments...

[Arigatomina]

To me, instrumental just means there are no lyrics. If they're not singing words and they're not mimicking words, then they're either instruments or sound effects. It's like having dogs howl along with the music. Would you count that as a "sung song" or an instrumental with unusual "instruments" and sound effects? I count them as instrumental. To me, a sung song is one with lyrics to be sung. Without lyrics, the voice is just another instrument to hit the notes with.

[Kireblue]

I don't think that it qualifies as instrumental. If that was the case, then Levan Polkka would be instrumental as well. The song you posted really is just another form of scat.

And if anyone doesn't know about Levan Polkka, then shame on you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl-q5lzsxOg

[EvaFan]

It's tough to reach a conclusion on this, makes me think of songs with just opera and hymn vocals set to music. They aren't words usually, sometimes they are latin or an ancient language but they are intended to do more than just be a part of the music sheet.

Well if it makes you feel any better, I don't think it even matters. People have won VCA's in the instrumental category when their were some type of vocals:



I'm sure their were others, just the only one I remembered off hand. A clear ruling would be not to allow vocals of any kind cause if you allow one to pass then there will be skepticism and arguements about what should and shouldn't be allowed after that.

[Fall_Child42]

A clear ruling would be not to allow vocals of any kind cause if you allow one to pass then there will be skepticism and arguements about what should and shouldn't be allowed after that.

Dispite it's popularity with pundits on news programs, the slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy and should be treated as such.

[BasharOfTheAges]

The near-indistinguishable foot-in-the-door technique, however, is perfectly cool. It's an observed and tested method of enacting subtle changes in a population with little push-back.

[Fall_Child42]

The near-indistinguishable foot-in-the-door technique, however, is perfectly cool. It's an observed and tested method of enacting subtle changes in a population with little push-back.

This is true, though it is because people don't think logically most of the time, and it also has nothing to do with argumentative techniques.

[BasharOfTheAges]

The near-indistinguishable foot-in-the-door technique, however, is perfectly cool. It's an observed and tested method of enacting subtle changes in a population with little push-back.

This is true, though it is because people don't think logically most of the time, and it also has nothing to do with argumentative techniques.

Framing your discussion on fear of the one is akin to the other though. Same with invoking "fist they came" all the time. Slippery slope meets historical pattern recognition at a weird point. Usually, the only distinction is what side of the fence you're on whether you see it as one or the other. It's pandering to that dishonestly that's fallacious.
It's just as dishonest to imply that discussing the concept in the first place isn't anything more than an attempt at deflection though.

[JaddziaDax]

I would mark the opening to Star Trek (original series) as instrumental, however there is a vocal line in it.

[Scintilla]

(i think it would be different if they were onomonipeia(sp?)

Onomatopoeia. O-n-o, m-a-t, o-p-o, e-i-*FLATTENED SUDDENLY*