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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Post by krvabo » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:20 am

Gaelstrom wrote: Krvabo: You have plenty of footage to do the three cuts. You just cut off the fades, simple as that. You only need it for a second to a second and a half for each cut. The boat scene has enough, as does the wading. You can even slow down the footage by 5-10% if it's a hair under. Don't let it go into the final with the weak ending, please, I like it too much to let you give up on making it work stronger. It's not like it's more than 5 minutes work either ^^ Do you understand what I meant when I described the cuts at the trumpet notes?
I do have footage, but it just doesn't fit the sound, I tried.
If I cut off the fades i'm left with like, 10-15 frames of video each, it looks like total shit if I do that. The 'extra' part I added is only 3 seconds long so if I'd put in three clips they would only be 1 second each and it really really looks aweful.
The boat scene is already slowed down by quite a bit so it would stretch for 1.5 seconds.

The ending is not weak, it's fine as it is.
And no, I won't 'fix' it, and nor do I want anyone else 'fixing' it.

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Walking away from explosions: There might be some in Darker Than Black and Black Lagoon. The latter has a scene in which the maid Rosmerta comes walking from a flaming (exploded) building. It also has a scene a bit later in which Revy and the nun from the church of violence are locked in their office/dock that's set alight.
Darker than black has the 'enemy' exploding a few buildings, but they may already be gone far from the place before it explodes.
Planetes has a part where there are smoke rooms being blown up and one particular scene where the suspect is quite close to it when it explodes, so he walks away _before_ the explosion, not quite what you're looking for right?
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Post by SammySamaProductions » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:40 am

krvabo wrote: The ending is not weak, it's fine as it is.
And no, I won't 'fix' it, and nor do I want anyone else 'fixing' it.
I thought it was fine the way it is...
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Post by moonbunnychan » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:50 pm

SammySamaProductions wrote:
I thought it was fine the way it is...

Agreed. It didn't strike me as any kind of a problem area at all.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Post by Kireblue » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:31 pm

Deuce Loosely wrote:I always go into the "Custom" menu before render.
I choose "Best" video quality, 720x480 resolution, progressive scan, and two-channel stereo for audio.
When I try to render to mpeg2, vegas refuses to give me the option to add custom settings. And when I keep the default settings, the video quality gets messed up. Me and you must have different versions. I just sent you another version with the audio and video as separate files. There really should be absolutely no reason for it not to work.

Oh and if anyone wants to see it, here is the link to the version with the audio and video merged. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BPG8DHTV

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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Post by Gaelstrom » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:02 pm

krvabo wrote:
I do have footage, but it just doesn't fit the sound, I tried.
If I cut off the fades i'm left with like, 10-15 frames of video each, it looks like total shit if I do that. The 'extra' part I added is only 3 seconds long so if I'd put in three clips they would only be 1 second each and it really really looks aweful.
The boat scene is already slowed down by quite a bit so it would stretch for 1.5 seconds.

The ending is not weak, it's fine as it is.
And no, I won't 'fix' it, and nor do I want anyone else 'fixing' it.
I just want to point out that I didn't say 'fix,' I said make it stronger. Yes, the ending is 'fine,' but that's what it is. 'Fine.' My entire point was to try and make it stronger if you can, give it as much oomph as possible, and I was trying to share a possibility I saw that I thought could make it stronger (which is a critique). That's always what I'm after for projects I'm on (I haven't changed that since AMVS3 ^^), and frankly I believe you should be too. Settling for 'fine' is a wasted opportunity as far as I'm concerned, not just in editing, but in general. I'm not trying to lecture, but I feel the world is filled with creators who are just 'fine,' so why add to that mix? Be better than them. Sure, it'll take time, but look at the best AMV creators and how much attention goes into every cut they do. They're also the most memorable and will be in your memory for the rest of your life.

That said though, if you just don't want to do it, then I can't make you do it, nor did I have any intention to. I figured you'd want to. The intention was to grant the audience the strongest clip possible, it has nothing to do with you. It has to do with them. It's always about them, nobody else, because they are the ones who see it. If you were just making this for yourself, you could laugh at the idea in your head any time and save yourself the work.
kireblue wrote:Oh and if anyone wants to see it, here is the link to the version with the audio and video merged. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BPG8DHTV
This clip is a little hard to follow. You have a lot of effects and it's hard to see the characters and who's saying what, I think it may need some kind of establishing shot. But the part where the parrot creature is getting fried strikes me as way too much happening for such a mellow line of complaining. Right now I feel this clip's a bit too confusing to be amusing, I think this audio would do better with different footage than this personally. Like you could even have two separate sources, use the Digimon creature for deeper audio, then shift to a character from a different source potentially in a building that gets fried, for example off the top of my head, Ed (I've gotta stop using FMA so much -_-), he'd fit that voice, and then have the Digimon character say the children's toy line. It's just difficult to visually latch on to anything that anchors the initial dialogue as it is right now.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Post by Kireblue » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:38 pm

Gaelstrom wrote: This clip is a little hard to follow. You have a lot of effects and it's hard to see the characters and who's saying what, I think it may need some kind of establishing shot. But the part where the parrot creature is getting fried strikes me as way too much happening for such a mellow line of complaining. Right now I feel this clip's a bit too confusing to be amusing, I think this audio would do better with different footage than this personally. Like you could even have two separate sources, use the Digimon creature for deeper audio, then shift to a character from a different source potentially in a building that gets fried, for example off the top of my head, Ed (I've gotta stop using FMA so much -_-), he'd fit that voice, and then have the Digimon character say the children's toy line. It's just difficult to visually latch on to anything that anchors the initial dialogue as it is right now.
There isn't a single effect used in the entire video (not even a crossfade). But I agree that giving the voice of Granpa to the parrot seems off. Granpa seems to bee slightly annoyed, but the parrot is clearly being obliterated. I could cut out granpa's line and just leave Stu's "maybe using fire in a children's toy is a bad idea" line.

Oh and, the fact that you said that this is confusing makes me wonder if you've seen the source. Did you ever watch the Rugrats movie?

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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Post by Gaelstrom » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:06 pm

kireblue wrote: There isn't a single effect used in the entire video (not even a crossfade). But I agree that giving the voice of Granpa to the parrot seems off. Granpa seems to bee slightly annoyed, but the parrot is clearly being obliterated. I could cut out granpa's line and just leave Stu's "maybe using fire in a children's toy is a bad idea" line.

Oh and, the fact that you said that this is confusing makes me wonder if you've seen the source. Did you ever watch the Rugrats movie?
Whenever I say effects, I usually include those that are in the source unless I specify otherwise. I knew you didn't add them, but they are still effects and they still were covering the majority of the screen much of the time. And I think you're on to something, cutting out that line would make the clip faster and hit the punchline sooner. Might be worth a shot. I still believe you'd need an establishing shot to make sure the audience sees Graymon. And no, I haven't seen the source, I'm not much of a fan of rugrats sorry to say ^^ But in this case I don't think the source matters at all, the audio works to make it a standalone clip rather effectively.

Actually, this is an afterthought, but I recognized something the other night. One reason all our explosions seem the same is that they're similar lengths, but also lack reactions. This is actually a pretty good setup to use the explosion audio and have a giant explosion instead of the parrot and then as the sound fades, have him say the line. Not sure if you want to try it, but I made a quick version of the audio if you wanted to.

davidkrein.net/!ExplosionTrailOff.wav
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Post by SammySamaProductions » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:01 am

kireblue wrote:
Oh and if anyone wants to see it, here is the link to the version with the audio and video merged. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BPG8DHTV
I dunno if it's just me but every one of my programs just plays the audio no video :( ..but from the sound of it I like it lol
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Post by Gaelstrom » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:49 am

Here's my newest clip, I'd like your impressions:

davidkrein.net/ChobitsProblem.rar

EDIT:

I did another version quickly. What do you guys think? Which do you prefer? Do you like the idea, etc?

davidkrein.net/ChobitsProblemTake2.rar

Unfortunately I'm noticing a major potential problem. It seems like the "It's so fluffy!" isn't easily being heard at all by any of the friends who help me work on this when I showed them a few clips. Every one of them have said "What'd she say?" and that's not a good sign. Is there a clearer audio clip, or perhaps we could make it louder? It's really just unfortunately because she's so throaty with how she says it... based on the fact that they can't hear it from my speakers in a normal room, I think it's safe to say it'll be worse in an auditorium. Does anyone have the DVD and can rip a better quality of it?
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Post-Production)

Post by SammySamaProductions » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:53 am

Gaelstrom wrote:Here's my newest clip:

davidkrein.net/ChobitsProblem.rar

and the DV:

davidkrein.net/ChobitsProblem_DV.rar

Unfortunately I'm noticing a major potential problem. It seems like the "It's so fluffy!" isn't easily being heard at all by any of the friends who help me work on this when I showed them a few clips. Every one of them have said "What'd she say?" and that's not a good sign. Is there a clearer audio clip, or perhaps we could make it louder? It's really just unfortunately because she's so throaty with how she says it... based on the fact that they can't hear it from my speakers in a normal room, I think it's safe to say it'll be worse in an auditorium. Does anyone have the DVD and can rip a better quality of it?
I can try and get the DVD and rip the audio...Do all of them need to be changed? I know there's one that I didn't do and if I can rip the audio I'd be more than happy to share so we can correct this problem.

EDIT: While i'm working on the audio rip...would it be funnier to change my Dragon Crisis! It's so fluffy to add the "It's so fluffy I'm going to die!"...or just leave it as it is? I personally think that mixing it up may be a good thing...
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