Im going to edit an AMV on VHS with a setup that cost over $25,000 in the 90's

[justin_]

IT WORKS!!! I finally figured out everything. I found that the issue I was having at the end of last night was because I was trying to get audio from the AUX2 source like the manual said, but the CD player was plugged into AUX1. The quick flip of a switch lator I could record from the CD player onto tape again, BUT when I tried to lay video clips on top of the audio it was replacing the audio along with the video. It took me some time to figure out this one, but when the VCRs are running in HiFi mode you can record audio and video at the same time, but not only one of them, BUT if they are NOT in HiFi mode you can record just audio, just video, or bolth. So again with the flip of a few switches that was fixed. The song won't sound /quite/ as good, but as long as you are not listening to it side by side it is kinda hard to hear the difference between HiFi on and HiFi off anyway.

So after getting all of that worked out I spent way too long making a 10 second clip that does technically work, but it seems that it doesn't always record starting on the same field. Back in the days of analog every frame was made up of 2 fields, and each field was made up of 1/2 of the lines of video. The first field would show the odd lines (1,3,5,7,9,etc) and the second field would show the even lines (2,4,6,8,etc). Because it seems to be occasionally starting on the wrong field there is a bit of a jump at the start of some of the cuts. It could be another problem entirely (this deck was made for making mostly large multi minute cuts, not .5-3 second cuts) but that is my best guess.

Anyway here is a quick 10 second clip that will likely never make its way into anything finished.



Looking back at it afterwards I think that it is made up of 6 clips. It took way too long to do, but I was getting a lot better at it, and beside there is NO undo button, so you want to make sure you are doing the right thing before you do it.

[justin_]

...Someday we will have equipment for a Iron Editor duel using SVHS decks...

Somehow I only just read that now. That would be the most psychoticly amazing sight ever. It needs to happen somewhere at some point.

[DJ_Izumi]

Back in the days of analog every frame was made up of 2 fields, and each field was made up of 1/2 of the lines of video.

Not to be picky but this isn't quite accurate. 60i video, when not derived from progressive content like 24p film being telecined to 60i, truely shot at 60i. As on each 60th of a second, a distinct image was captured, no two fields could ever be combined to make a single progressive frame, each field was an image of a distinct moment of time. This is why 60i cameras, like camcorders and ENG type camera and the like get that 'Cops Effect' that you only see again now with 60p filming, cause there was new information 60 times second.

[justin_]

So now just as I start getting somewhere my landlord is kicking me out for using too much electricity. At first they were going to just have me pay extra each month, but now they are just saying get out.

Soooooooooo there probably won't be any progress for at least 6-8 weeks as I look for a new place and move.

Renting sucks. This is the second place i've been kicked out of for no reason.

[justin_]

Not to be picky but this isn't quite accurate. 60i video, when not derived from progressive content like 24p film being telecined to 60i, truely shot at 60i. As on each 60th of a second, a distinct image was captured, no two fields could ever be combined to make a single progressive frame, each field was an image of a distinct moment of time. This is why 60i cameras, like camcorders and ENG type camera and the like get that 'Cops Effect' that you only see again now with 60p filming, cause there was new information 60 times second.

That is correct, I worded that poorly. There really was not any frames in broadcast TV, just fields. Its just (I would think) it is easier to explain it to people as 2 halves of a frame, rather than 2 half frames.

[Kionon]

Hey guys! So i'm new to the forum, but I love anime and AMVs, i've made a few, and I have an interesting project that I am about to start on.

I have access to proper pro VHS edit gear that to the best of my research abilities likely cost about $25,000-$30,000 in the 1990's and I have about 75 anime VHS tapes (and I will be grabbing another 60 or so soon) so why don't I combine everything and make an anime AMV on 30K of edit gear like they did in the 90's?

Wow. Just wow. This takes me back. This is exactly how I started editing in 1997. Not anime, with a few exceptions when my instructor wasn't looking, but definitely how I edited Planning and Zoning meetings, City Council meetings, school sports (especially football). Of course, we were often editing live streams from SVHS cameras and broadcasting out onto public access television. That said, we did have news style footage made from b-roll that was pre-recorded. Or sometimes councilmen or councilwomen would have us make pre-recorded presentations on SVHS to air during agenda times.

Really. Wow.

[yKazari]

Wow thats like my dream setup right there, I can't wait to see the results! My current analog setup is pretty basic, need a actual video switcher.

[justin_]

Hey guys! So i'm new to the forum, but I love anime and AMVs, i've made a few, and I have an interesting project that I am about to start on.

I have access to proper pro VHS edit gear that to the best of my research abilities likely cost about $25,000-$30,000 in the 1990's and I have about 75 anime VHS tapes (and I will be grabbing another 60 or so soon) so why don't I combine everything and make an anime AMV on 30K of edit gear like they did in the 90's?

Wow. Just wow. This takes me back. This is exactly how I started editing in 1997. Not anime, with a few exceptions when my instructor wasn't looking, but definitely how I edited Planning and Zoning meetings, City Council meetings, school sports (especially football). Of course, we were often editing live streams from SVHS cameras and broadcasting out onto public access television. That said, we did have news style footage made from b-roll that was pre-recorded. Or sometimes councilmen or councilwomen would have us make pre-recorded presentations on SVHS to air during agenda times.

Really. Wow.

I would imagine it looks quite familiar. I am borrowing the gear from my work, a public access TV station. This was actually in use there up until last year as there was a few people that refused to switch to digital so they would record in the studio on modern gear, but have the live output go to a VCR and then they would edit it on this. I've always really loved older gear and they just had this sitting in storage, so I asked and bossman said I could borrow it.


Anyway, minor update! I finally have a new place figured out and all of the gear is moved in! I still need to wire it all up and while it is bound to take less time than last time it will likely still take an hour or so.

I really want to get back to working with it, but I don't know how soon that will be as I am still moving my stuff in, organizing, and unpacking everything. On top of all of that I am heading back to college on Monday with 19 credits on my schedule in addition to 3 jobs so i'm not sure when I will be able to get back to this. I am taking Japanese 101 this semester so that should be fun, hopefully (it is 5 credits and there is a class every weekday)

[justin_]

Wow thats like my dream setup right there, I can't wait to see the results! My current analog setup is pretty basic, need a actual video switcher.

I would imagine that would be the hard part right there. The deck I have actually still goes for a few hundred on eBay, its crazy how much this stuff is worth! If I were to sell everything here on eBay it would likely net arround $2500-$3000.

I would say that you should ask your local TV stations if they have any old gear in storage that they don't want. I don't know how likely it is that they still have the gear, or that they would just give it away but the worst they can say is "No". Plus it is of 0 value to them so why would they want it. It's worth a shot, call em up or send an email.

[Kionon]

I would imagine it looks quite familiar. I am borrowing the gear from my work, a public access TV station.

Welp, that explains that then.

I am taking Japanese 101 this semester so that should be fun, hopefully (it is 5 credits and there is a class every weekday)

Japanese is my functional, daily-use second language, so please feel free to ask me any questions.