739 is called "Protege" tho. It's not a romance.PieandBeer wrote:i'm posting my reviews later today i just want to get this out there before more people vote.
ive seen so many people downplay or write off the videos with lgbt romances as the focus saying things like "i guess if you ship them it's a romance." honestly, this infuriates me because in past years i've seen people praise videos that at the end of the day were just a guy and a girl staring at each other while the song explains what they are feeling.
people assume videos with a guy and a girl relationship focus are romances, but anything remotely lgbt is said to just be friends or "bromances". it's perfectly ok to assume a guy and a girl from an anime you have never seen are dating, but it's "shipping" if you think the same about a gay relationship, even when the source is relatively open with its including gay relationships. it's really kinda offensive. videos this year like 585, 739, 896, and to a lesser extent 510 make it very clear through storytelling, scene selection, and lyrics that they are intended to be at least partially a romance and i hope they aren't snubbed in the noms just because they went a less common route.
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the bar for gay romance videos is so much higher than for vids with hetero romances. one of the characters in that video is canonly gay and the song is blatantly romantic in nature. put the lyric "you make me whole", "you make sense of who i am" and "i know i'm finally yours" in any boy x girl amv and people will automatically see it as romance. theres a clear focus on keith and shiro towards the end.Rider4Z wrote: 739 is called "Protege" tho. It's not a romance.
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I don't see it that way myself. I saw Keith as one of the members of Voltron and the lyrics are about the team. Yes Shiro is canonnly gay but that doesn't mean he's automatically attracted to Keith. And nothing in the video suggests Keith is attracted to Shiro. It's definitely sentimental and relational but I don't think it's a romance.PieandBeer wrote:the bar for gay romance videos is so much higher than for vids with hetero romances. one of the characters in that video is canonly gay and the song is blatantly romantic in nature. put the lyric "you make me whole", "you make sense of who i am" and "i know i'm finally yours" in any boy x girl amv and people will automatically see it as romance. theres a clear focus on keith and shiro towards the end.Rider4Z wrote: 739 is called "Protege" tho. It's not a romance.
If the series ends with them as an item I'll take it back.
You're right about the bar being different for a gay couple, but if Shiro and Keith were opposite genders I'd still say it's not a romance. If you see it that's fine, but I don't.
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the second to last shot in the video is shiro in keith's arms to the lyric "you can make me whole" like that is faaaaaaar more than a friendship its far more than just sentimental.Rider4Z wrote:I don't see it that way myself. I saw Keith as one of the members of Voltron and the lyrics are about the team. Yes Shiro is canonnly gay but that doesn't mean he's automatically attracted to Keith. And nothing in the video suggests Keith is attracted to Shiro. It's definitely sentimental and relational but I don't think it's a romance.PieandBeer wrote:the bar for gay romance videos is so much higher than for vids with hetero romances. one of the characters in that video is canonly gay and the song is blatantly romantic in nature. put the lyric "you make me whole", "you make sense of who i am" and "i know i'm finally yours" in any boy x girl amv and people will automatically see it as romance. theres a clear focus on keith and shiro towards the end.Rider4Z wrote: 739 is called "Protege" tho. It's not a romance.
If the series ends with them as an item I'll take it back.
a nisekoi vid showing a different relationship than the one that wins in the end is still a romance. it doesn't need to be canon to be a romance i was just pointing out that the gay relationship would fit into the story's universe, so there isn't that much of a leap.
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It's not and I get that. I just feel the lyrics are shiro speaking about his team. The ending scene he's surrounded by the paladins and the lions. And the very last shot specifically the lions are all around looking down on him. That shot chokes me up every time. Shiro was not just their leader, he was their friend and not just someone to be thrown away because of his personal struggles. Keith was very much driven to rescue shiro but for reasons bigger than romantic. The idea that Keith fought for Shiro just because he was romantically interested really cheapens it for me and that's really the point I want to make clear.PieandBeer wrote:the second to last shot in the video is shiro in keith's arms to the lyric "you can make me whole" like that is faaaaaaar more than a friendship its far more than just sentimental.
a nisekoi vid showing a different relationship than the one that wins in the end is still a romance. it doesn't need to be canon to be a romance i was just pointing out that the gay relationship would fit into the story's universe, so there isn't that much of a leap.
I'm not opposed to the idea of Shiro and Keith being a couple at all, I just don't believe that's what the video's about.
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I will also point out that if shipping two heterosexual characters counts as a romance, then two homosexual characters would too. Whether the relationship is canon to the series should (imo) have no bearing on it being a romance video or not. In fact, a non-canon relationship might also qualify for a Storytelling award, again imo.
That said, the rules are clear... vote your conscience. It is OK to explain your positions here, but it will never be OK to slight anyone for their interpretations. Art is not absolutes. Neither are relationships, for that matter.
Be excellent to each other.
Party on, dudes.
That said, the rules are clear... vote your conscience. It is OK to explain your positions here, but it will never be OK to slight anyone for their interpretations. Art is not absolutes. Neither are relationships, for that matter.
Be excellent to each other.
Party on, dudes.
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Here are all my AWA Reviews!
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Hey guys I'm giving all of your vids 4 words each cause im lazy af pls dont take any of these seriously and if u want serious feedback pm me (ill help u make ur vid worse)
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Hi everyone! It's that time of year again where everybody is waiting in anticipation for well-thought out Pro reviews. HOWEVER! Mine are not those. I just wanted to have a little fun this year and you'll see what I mean. But, I hope you find them amusing even if you're confused. If I really had something to say, I wrote a quick sentence under the number. I also had a system of 3 emojis:
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If anyone wants a serious review of theirs, you can PM me and I'd be more than happy to talk to you about them. I just didn't want to do it seventy times if I didn't have to, haha. Anyways, enjoy!
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If anyone wants a serious review of theirs, you can PM me and I'd be more than happy to talk to you about them. I just didn't want to do it seventy times if I didn't have to, haha. Anyways, enjoy!
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I need to stop being lazy and transcribe my notes from paper. I hope to have them up today or tomorrow.