Something extremely controversial... Do NOT FLAME...

[kthulhu]

I don't see what makes the Colmbia incident more fo tragedy than the death that occurs throughout the rest of the world and how this could even relate to a God.

I explained why in the other Columbia thread. To happily cut and paste and save people from having to dig it up:

It comes down to the astronauts tangible value, of sorts.

This explosion represents the loss of billions of dollars, years of hard work, and untold intellectual investment, as well as what the shuttle itself represents, namely a tribute to mankind's yen to explore, as well as being a stepping stone to the realization of the vision of humanity's (hopeful) destiny in the stars.

Basically, the impact of this disaster comes from just that investment. So much was put into the project, that it takes on an aura of invincibility. When it goes (seriously) wrong, it hits hard. People say money can't buy happiness. That's debatable, but one thing money (nothing can, really) can't buy is absolute certainty. Yet we feel it can, and did, and it didn't. We have lost 7 astronauts, and all that they represented. Does this make their deaths any worse than 7 regular Joes?

I'd say yes.

[Truest-Chaos]

GOOD GOD NO, NOT THE WB1111111111111111

[Johnny Five]

God. Value. Permanent substance. Physical. Life, God? Life. Assemble. No assemble. Squish. Dead. Disassemble? DISASSEMBLE!? ESCAPE! FLEE!

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We have lost 7 astronauts, and all that they represented. Does this make their deaths any worse than 7 regular Joes

I'd say yes.

I read that but after I had posted, but I don't agree, firstly what did they represent?
Also the material value is something I do not consider when human life is involved, so even if it is billions of dollars wasted compared to one crashed train, I don't feel this makes a difference about how important the people are.
Lastly even if seven astronauts is greater than seven Joes, I was more talking about in comparison to hundreds even thousands that die unnecessarily elsewhere in the world, where are their ten page daily scientific breakdowns, nowhere because they are insignificant to materialist western corpoations and consumers great dream.

[klinky]

Oh Money does matter

Case in point 9/11. Victims fund, let's not divide it equally amognst the victims families, lets divide the money based on how much the victim earned. So the janitors are obviously worthless pieces of shit that deserve the least amount of money while some paper pusher on the top floor some how is more worthy. Yep.

We should all worship money, since it's the only "God" that actually gets you anywhere.

The Columbia mattered because we don't have a fucking Shuttle blow up ever day. We've become zoned out towards car cashes and "standard forms" of death. Unless you're right there when one happens, it's no big deal. "A car crashed today? So what, that happened yesterday and the day before that!".

When you mix in the fact that it's a shuttle and so far Shuttles only blow up once every 20 odd years or so. WOW! Big news, big impact. We also don't have planes fly into buildings everyday either, which made 9/11 something to remember.

So while it may not mean much to you the fact that a shuttle blew up and millions of people got to see the fiery remains go shooting across the sky as it happened is still something to consider. :\


~klinky

[Mroni]

I don't see what makes the Colmbia incident more fo tragedy than the death that occurs throughout the rest of the world and how this could even relate to a God.

I explained why in the other Columbia thread. To happily cut and paste and save people from having to dig it up:

It comes down to the astronauts tangible value, of sorts.

This explosion represents the loss of billions of dollars, years of hard work, and untold intellectual investment, as well as what the shuttle itself represents, namely a tribute to mankind's yen to explore, as well as being a stepping stone to the realization of the vision of humanity's (hopeful) destiny in the stars.


Basically, the impact of this disaster comes from just that investment. So much was put into the project, that it takes on an aura of invincibility. When it goes (seriously) wrong, it hits hard. People say money can't buy happiness. That's debatable, but one thing money (nothing can, really) can't buy is absolute certainty. Yet we feel it can, and did, and it didn't. We have lost 7 astronauts, and all that they represented. Does this make their deaths any worse than 7 regular Joes?

I'd say yes.

Stop blaming the brown people you white devil. Feed the gay whales!


Mustaffa Oni

[kthulhu]

I read that but after I had posted, but I don't agree, firstly what did they represent?

I'm pretty sure I covered that in my post. Read it completely, and not just looking for the part you think is useful to pick at.

Also the material value is something I do not consider when human life is involved, so even if it is billions of dollars wasted compared to one crashed train, I don't feel this makes a difference about how important the people are.

Of course it doesn't. But if you read my post, you'd see that my point was, we spent billions to prevent this from happening. One billion is a large number. Try to envision one billion of something. Now multiply that several times. It's pretty staggering to think about, and it's the shock, of sorts, that we threw so much value to keep this from happening, and thanks to cruel fate, it still did, that makes a great impact. It's a big reminder of our mortality, in a sense, and how no matter what, the potential for it is ALWAYS there.

Lastly even if seven astronauts is greater than seven Joes, I was more talking about in comparison to hundreds even thousands that die unnecessarily elsewhere in the world, where are their ten page daily scientific breakdowns, nowhere because they are insignificant to materialist western corpoations and consumers great dream.

Ok, give us some examples of this. And not all corporations are bad. Your computer? I've never seen a "Mom And Pop's Semiconductor And Chipset Research And Manufacturing" shop before. All the parts were made by a corporation. Your car, even public transit, corporations. Even the food you eat has probably been mass processed in a corporation production factory.

So get over it. The government is no better than any private individual a lot of the time, too.

And God, um yeah, God is cool with me. Anything I eat he eats too.

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I read that but after I had posted, but I don't agree, firstly what did they represent?

I'm pretty sure I covered that in my post. Read it completely, and not just looking for the part you think is useful to pick at.

Okay after re-reading your post for the fourth time I have to apologise, I had apperantly skipped over that part/ forgotten.

Also the material value is something I do not consider when human life is involved, so even if it is billions of dollars wasted compared to one crashed train, I don't feel this makes a difference about how important the people are.

Of course it doesn't. But if you read my post, you'd see that my point was, we spent billions to prevent this from happening. One billion is a large number. Try to envision one billion of something. Now multiply that several times. It's pretty staggering to think about, and it's the shock, of sorts, that we threw so much value to keep this from happening, and thanks to cruel fate, it still did, that makes a great impact. It's a big reminder of our mortality, in a sense, and how no matter what, the potential for it is ALWAYS there.

I don't get what this is meant to be saying, but judging by the fact that it is talking about billions I can guess money, which as I said means nothing to me and will never mean squat to me when compared alongside human life.

Ok, give us some examples of this.
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Right, well due to my ignorance of recent news and lack of media coverage I admit that I cannot lay down clearcut examples of what I wish to convey. But I am sure that people dying unnecessarily happens a fair amount, natural disasters and famine would probably be major contributers to these tolls.

And not all corporations are bad. Your computer?

I didn't mean to imply that they were, but there is a general belief that money and material possessions aid in your ability to lead a "better" life and this is where consumerism comes in and then media maipulation, which was what I was talking about originally.
Also I wish I could get rid of my computer but I am to addicted and too weak to stop using it, it and my music are the only material vices I have that I could not do without and my computer I really do want to live without.

[kthulhu]

Right, well due to my ignorance of recent news and lack of media coverage I admit that I cannot lay down clearcut examples of what I wish to convey. But I am sure that people dying unnecessarily happens a fair amount, natural disasters and famine would probably be major contributers to these tolls.

Yes, but natural disasters aren't caused by corporations, they're caused by God . Unless corporations have natural disaster machines....

But yeah, there have been heinous examples of corporate abuse in the past. I just don't feel it justifies writing off all corporations.

To each their own, I guess.

[jonmartensen]

"If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. "