Me, and this is just me here talking, has seen a lot of people go down for stupid shit. This is why "I" don't release my videos. They usually get released some where down the line (I found 3 or 4 on Kazaa) but I am not the one who puts them there. What happens is I'll send them to a few friends they will do it with out my ok -- blah blah blah blah... So it's getting to the point where I think I am going to release them but I keep going back to this. Hell I know guys who have just downloaded one piece of software and have been arrested. A few of guys I know who used to distribute have been thrown in jail.
But then again I know hackers who have also been banned from using the computer for life.... So it's probably not that common; however, when you see it as much as me, it becomes common.
selling AMVs?
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MaboroshiStudio
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like way back in the day...
I remember when people would argue about fansubs and there were three popular methods... bootleg prices, selling for so called non-profit, and SASE
When I finish my dvd I will probably do both so that people have the choice. Basically as far as how much I am going to offer my dvds for I will take the cost of everything and round down... but I prefer SASE.
When I finish my dvd I will probably do both so that people have the choice. Basically as far as how much I am going to offer my dvds for I will take the cost of everything and round down... but I prefer SASE.
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jbone
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You suck.dokidoki wrote:jon/Misty: heheh. Before the thread is out, someone will flame someone.
"If someone feels the need to 'express' himself or herself with a huge graphical 'singature' that has nothing to do with anything, that person should reevaluate his or her reasons for needing said form of expression, possibly with the help of a licensed mental health practitioner."
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Corran
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Ok, I've been making jokes on this thread but I guess I could be a little more serious.
My take on all this is that as long as I am not involved with any money(They buy the CD-Rs) then I will distrubute my AMVs. All they have to do is give me a CD-r or two and I will burn it for them. I then return the CD-Rs whether or not the burn was successful so it doesn't look like I am pocketing them as profit... I will host some on the web, and there like everyone else I will make them freely available to others.
However...
This doesn't make it right since we don't have licenses to distrube in the first place... All not selling them does is lessen the sentence that could be placed on one of us in the event someone does take action against us. There are thousands of videos already out there and it seems unlikely (to me of course since this is an opinioned post...) that the music (or anime) industry would go after something like fandom when they've got cronic piraters to fry first.
No matter what happens I will continue to make AMVs even if it is made so we could no longer to continue as we have done. After all the first person I make them for is myself and the close friends I can privately show my AMVs to. Strangers come far down the list...
My take on all this is that as long as I am not involved with any money(They buy the CD-Rs) then I will distrubute my AMVs. All they have to do is give me a CD-r or two and I will burn it for them. I then return the CD-Rs whether or not the burn was successful so it doesn't look like I am pocketing them as profit... I will host some on the web, and there like everyone else I will make them freely available to others.
However...
This doesn't make it right since we don't have licenses to distrube in the first place... All not selling them does is lessen the sentence that could be placed on one of us in the event someone does take action against us. There are thousands of videos already out there and it seems unlikely (to me of course since this is an opinioned post...) that the music (or anime) industry would go after something like fandom when they've got cronic piraters to fry first.
No matter what happens I will continue to make AMVs even if it is made so we could no longer to continue as we have done. After all the first person I make them for is myself and the close friends I can privately show my AMVs to. Strangers come far down the list...
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VicBond007
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I'm gonna reply first and read later because you all seem to have a lot to say but I've got 2 minutes until work so I'm gonna speak my peace now.
The concept behind distributing DVDs of my work is an idea I came up with to distribute my work the way it was meant to be viewed. VHS tapes are bulky and a pain in the ass to reproduce, and they're hardly as l33t as DVDs, so I caved into the self-produced DVD craze earlier than I should have.
The DVDs are being sold at $7 a pop which is essentially at cost. My profit goes towards the couple thousand dollars I've had to invest in my computer that got zapped over the winter break (as well as to help pay for my Katsu room ^_^). The breakdown is as follows:
DVD+R: $1.99
Snap case: 30 cents
case insert (professionally printed): $1.49
DVD label: 22 cents
Ink to print DVD label: 80 cents
Total: $4.80
The DVD burner also set me back almost $300. Am I profiting? Yes. Although at the same time I'm still a good $200 under breaking even. Some profit!
When I announced that my DVDs were for sale after winning an award, I intended it to be a PSA so I could help get the word out as soon as possible (I had only sold 4 DVDs up until then and had brought FORTY to the con. That's $200 worth of materials I can't get back, so I damn well better get rid of them!), not as a commercial for my stuff so I can line my pockets. Besides, I feel that the amount of time and effort I put into the compilation is well worth the $7 and that I've ripped nobody off.
Yes, AMVs are made without the license-holders' permissions. But I don't think that factors into the matter. I'm not charging anyone to make up for all the money I've had to spend on source DVDs and CDs. If it makes you uneasy thinking that I'm making $2 off AMVs, think of that $2 as going towards the amount of time and effort invested in designing the DVD itself, and not the actual creation of the videos.
And if you still want to complain, then go bitch to ExpertDVD that's selling crappy DVDs of DDR2 for $20. Pressed or not, that's a sick profit.
Damn...late for work...
The concept behind distributing DVDs of my work is an idea I came up with to distribute my work the way it was meant to be viewed. VHS tapes are bulky and a pain in the ass to reproduce, and they're hardly as l33t as DVDs, so I caved into the self-produced DVD craze earlier than I should have.
The DVDs are being sold at $7 a pop which is essentially at cost. My profit goes towards the couple thousand dollars I've had to invest in my computer that got zapped over the winter break (as well as to help pay for my Katsu room ^_^). The breakdown is as follows:
DVD+R: $1.99
Snap case: 30 cents
case insert (professionally printed): $1.49
DVD label: 22 cents
Ink to print DVD label: 80 cents
Total: $4.80
The DVD burner also set me back almost $300. Am I profiting? Yes. Although at the same time I'm still a good $200 under breaking even. Some profit!
When I announced that my DVDs were for sale after winning an award, I intended it to be a PSA so I could help get the word out as soon as possible (I had only sold 4 DVDs up until then and had brought FORTY to the con. That's $200 worth of materials I can't get back, so I damn well better get rid of them!), not as a commercial for my stuff so I can line my pockets. Besides, I feel that the amount of time and effort I put into the compilation is well worth the $7 and that I've ripped nobody off.
Yes, AMVs are made without the license-holders' permissions. But I don't think that factors into the matter. I'm not charging anyone to make up for all the money I've had to spend on source DVDs and CDs. If it makes you uneasy thinking that I'm making $2 off AMVs, think of that $2 as going towards the amount of time and effort invested in designing the DVD itself, and not the actual creation of the videos.
And if you still want to complain, then go bitch to ExpertDVD that's selling crappy DVDs of DDR2 for $20. Pressed or not, that's a sick profit.
Damn...late for work...
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Again, I don't have a probelm with any of it... In terms of what is considered profit, I guess each person has thier opinion on the subject and I hope that someone does not feel that making say $5.00 or $10.00 or $15.00, etc above the cost is not profit but covers thier equipment costs. It really comes down to how someone justifies the costs and if they are resonable considering the material they are "giving away"...
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Nappy
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I've been following ppl charging for amv's and anyone making a decent profit upsets me, as it could ruin it for all of us if something goes down. I mean I've seen ppl sell CD-Rs for 5 which really only cost what .25-75 cents. Then I saw the DDR thing which made me go 
they tried to justify it with it being professionally printed and I looked up some printing prices and even for 100 they came out at 3-4 a piece including the master, inserts, cases and what not. And when ppl got the DVD they all said it was done poorly o_o
Now I can't say I agree with Vic making a profit, but Vic is really only making 2 bucks per, and even if he sold all 40 thats only 80 profit which probably didnt cover 1 nights stay at the con. Now Vic here using his speech is pretty shameless but I guess he had his reasons :\
Now that I think about it there's a couple of musicians that were at Fanime and AX playing for money with a sign saying help us get to "insert con here" Now if they are playing anime music for money to get from con to con (and if you saw the stack of cash they had they were definatly making more than that) Can I sit there with a TV showing my amvs with a donation basket saying help me get to.... hehehe
they tried to justify it with it being professionally printed and I looked up some printing prices and even for 100 they came out at 3-4 a piece including the master, inserts, cases and what not. And when ppl got the DVD they all said it was done poorly o_o Now I can't say I agree with Vic making a profit, but Vic is really only making 2 bucks per, and even if he sold all 40 thats only 80 profit which probably didnt cover 1 nights stay at the con. Now Vic here using his speech is pretty shameless but I guess he had his reasons :\
Now that I think about it there's a couple of musicians that were at Fanime and AX playing for money with a sign saying help us get to "insert con here" Now if they are playing anime music for money to get from con to con (and if you saw the stack of cash they had they were definatly making more than that) Can I sit there with a TV showing my amvs with a donation basket saying help me get to....
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I would say costs are the bare minimum needed to distribute your videos in the highest quality format available.
To me it's a blank CD-R/DVD and a sharpie.
You want to add a nice DVD case or a shiny cover. >_> That's up to you. But there really is no point since, it's kind of oxymoronish to try and professionalize a nonprofessional product. Well not saying that your videos are professional in quality. But, this would never be on a store shelf.
Also equipment costs. Ha! >_> I bet you've used your DVD-burner for more then just AMV editing alone. Besides, no one said you _HAVE_ to use a DVD-burner.
Time/energy. It's a labor of love. Suggesting that you should get paid for your fine quality AMVs puts out a snooty demeanor. >_>.
No one said you had to print up 40DVDs either. You can certainly advertise them, but just becuase you made the mistake of over estimating people wanting to purchase your videos doesn't mean anything. >_>
It's also just the fact that none of this is really "ours". The anime, the music... >_> <_<. The concept sure, but really
AMVs are illegal and shouldn't be sold for more then the media they were put on. That does not include spiffy cases/covers/time/ energy or awesomeness of amv. 
Also telling us to go shout at ExpertDV for doing the same thing >_> <_< is like admitting guilt!
~klinky
To me it's a blank CD-R/DVD and a sharpie.
You want to add a nice DVD case or a shiny cover. >_> That's up to you. But there really is no point since, it's kind of oxymoronish to try and professionalize a nonprofessional product. Well not saying that your videos are professional in quality. But, this would never be on a store shelf.
Also equipment costs. Ha! >_> I bet you've used your DVD-burner for more then just AMV editing alone. Besides, no one said you _HAVE_ to use a DVD-burner.
Time/energy. It's a labor of love. Suggesting that you should get paid for your fine quality AMVs puts out a snooty demeanor. >_>.
No one said you had to print up 40DVDs either. You can certainly advertise them, but just becuase you made the mistake of over estimating people wanting to purchase your videos doesn't mean anything. >_>
It's also just the fact that none of this is really "ours". The anime, the music... >_> <_<. The concept sure, but really
AMVs are illegal and shouldn't be sold for more then the media they were put on. That does not include spiffy cases/covers/time/ energy or awesomeness of amv. Also telling us to go shout at ExpertDV for doing the same thing >_> <_< is like admitting guilt!
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klinky
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Also what Nappy was talking about with the musicians. I see nothing wrong with what they're doing, or heck you could even put up a TV with your AMVs and say help me get to such and such a con.Well not saying that your videos aren't professional in quality. But, this would never be on a store shelf.
Reason being, those are donations ^_^. You're not actually putting a price on something. If you enjoy their music, or say someone enjoy the AMVs playing on your TV there, they could donate if they felt like it. But they don't have to.
Once you restrict access to something with money, then it gets shifty >_>.
~klinky