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Post by The_Mad_Hatter » Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:26 am

RadicalEd0 wrote:You know the funniest realization to come from this thread? Nick and Hatter are on the exact same mental level. Nick is 11. Hatter looks like he's 35 and act's like he's 12, so averaging those I'd guess 24.
Whose acting like he's 12? :roll:
There are a few differences. Hatter speaks eloquently, nick dosent.
Don't compliment me, Fuckup. I don't like it when pathetic retards compliment me.
Nick knows wtf he's talking about,
Which is why the poor boi had to ask for someone else to prove his point...and he couldn't even do that!
hatter makes a bunch of stupid and unreferenced generalizations.
Jeebus H Keerist, it's the pot calling the kettle black.
But you don't need me to tell you how sad of a story hatter is :wink:
You still haven't met my challenge. Instead you tried to propose your own half assed challenge that doesn't even make sense. I mean I've got no probs reencoding like you want, but what that's gonna prove and in relation to what...well apparently one has to be trapped in your delusional little world to understand.
actually DVD-video (YV12) -> Huffyuv (YUY2 or RGB) -> TMPG (RGB) -> Mpeg 1 (YV12) -> Premiere (RGB) -> any distro codec (YV12)

That's 6 colorspace conversions max, 4 min.

and holy god is there a lot wrong with that method.
Where to begin. Well, howabout Huffyuv.
When are you gonna get your ADD under control, Cupcake?

It should actually be DVD (YV12) > Huffyuv (RGB) > Premiere (RGB) > MPEG-1 (YV12)

Only two conversions, fuckup. And like I explained to all the people who WEREN'T terminally fucking retarded, I'm on a PII 233Mhz system and I don't keep track of amateur "programmers" on the fuckin d00/\/\9 message boards, so Huffy is the only real option I have for fast editing. And since Premiere is RGB anyway, well, not really any way to get around it any way you wanna look at it...see editing is sort of an important process in making AMVs. :roll:
Why the hell waste all that hdd space when you could just go straight from the vob to tmpg through avisynth. But that's another issue - just some stupidity that snuck in.
Can anyone believe this moron? I mean he edits video in a lossy codec?! o_O

That's just...insanely retarded. I haven't checked his videos out though, maybe he's just never done any advanced video editing that requires more than dozen or so reconversions.
why encode to mpeg 1 at all. Chrissakes, you'd think after being told so many times you people would get it. At the very least, use mjpeg. It's a pretty grandiose show of stupidity to encode an mpeg 1 at 4 mbps to edit with (tho the 'experts' as well as the people who created the fucken standard say that it is only optimized in the 1 - 1.5 mpbs range and above there mpeg 2 will outperform) when you could cre<SLAP>
Jesus Keerist, just shut up. Come back when you stop editing video in lossy formats you moron.
poorer playback in what respect? Last I remember it was DivX 3.11 that could be played back pristine on a 200mhz system. Pay money? Spyware or adware? Maybe if you're like hatter and can't figure out anything besides divx 5 yes. Though, the adware in XviD, 3ivX, DivX 3.11, DivX 5 free, dicas, and ffvfw/ffmpeg must be pretty damn sneaky! So sneaky in fact, that it dosent exist. Oh snap :o
Now this moron thinks DvX3.11 supports multiple passes, VBR encoding, etc, etc... *rolls eyes*

If it did, we wouldn't even NEED DivX5 you moron.
Nothing looks good below 500kbps (except realmedia :wink: ). Pls cite some of the vast amount of experts who set 720 - 750 as the limit where mpeg 4 loses it's advantage over Mpeg 1.
I'll look up the link for ya later on, Cupcake. Of course you'll just backpedal around it like the doofy little clown you are...but, what the hey.
Btw, some info. Mpeg 1 is optimized for 22x15 macroblocks at bitrates of around 1.5 mbps. Mpeg 2 is optimized for 44x30 and above macroblocks and at bitrates above 1.5 - 2 mbps. Mpeg 4 originally was to be optimized for 11x9 macroblocks at bitrates between 50 and 300 kbps but soon expanded to cover the entire range of bitrates and resolutions, scaling up to something like 4000x4000 max resolution and some odd gbps for one of the higher profiles (this is all from memory mind you).
Yes, and that's why at bit rates above 500kbps it doesn't DO anything that MPEG-1 and 2 can't already do.

Yeesh, this d00d is so fuckin retarded he's actually arguing MY side and he doesn't even KNOW it. o_O
...what TYPE of conversion was used? :roll:

I mean, this is not rocket science, Cupcake. I don't even know what type of conversion avisynth uses, but I'd be willing to bet that it's not the absolute BEST. And converting from YV12 to RGB and back to YV12...yeah, pretty much not gonna have any real noticable impact...at least not any that can't be fixed with a lil gamma correction, you pathetic snit.

Oh, but please, tell us all again how you're managing to edit video in Premiere using YV12. ^_^
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Post by NicholasDWolfwood » Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:40 am

[quote="The_Mad_Hatter (Retard)]Jesus Keerist, just shut up. Come back when you stop editing video in lossy formats you moron. [/quote]

ROFLMAO

We edit in lossy formats for reasons, retard. Did you ever hear of the MJPEG -> AVS switchout, moron? Honestly, I don't think I've met anybody more retarded than this fool.

[quote="The_Mad_Hatter (Retard]Which is why the poor boi had to ask for someone else to prove his point...and he couldn't even do that![/quote]

You're argueing against the two smartest people here in video tech? (Other than Justin)

ROFLMAO

I really do not care what you call me. I know my shit, you don't, tough luck. I bet your encodes suck ass, just by watching your AMVs (If you have any, HAHA)
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Post by NicholasDWolfwood » Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:42 am

[qupte="The_Mad_Hatter"]Oh, but please, tell us all again how you're managing to edit video in Premiere using YV12. ^_^[/quote]

Some of us (coughcough ME) don't edit in Premiere. I use Cinelerra, which supports YV12 directly. Thank you, have a nice day.
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Post by The_Mad_Hatter » Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:54 am

NicholasDWolfwood wrote:
ROFLMAO

We edit in lossy formats for reasons, retard.
Uh huh, sure ya do...it's called stupidity...although personally that's not a very good excuse.
Did you ever hear of the MJPEG -> AVS switchout, moron? Honestly, I don't think I've met anybody more retarded than this fool.
I have no idea what you're babling about (probably some inane stupidity you slurped up from freakin D00m9). But please, why don't you explain to the class HOW EXACTLY it's a good idea to edit in lossy formats. :roll:

You're argueing against the two smartest people here in video tech? (Other than Justin)
D00d, you can't even get your fucking quotes right...don't go around telling people you're one of the smartest.

And if I wanted to talk to someone who really knew thier shit I'd go to rec.video.desktop you dribbling little fool.
ROFLMAO

I really do not care what you call me. I know my shit, you don't, tough luck.
Actually you don't seem to know anything. So far all you've been able to do is claim I've been wrong and then you sit around waiting for someone to think up an argument for you.
I bet your encodes suck ass, just by watching your AMVs (If you have any, HAHA)
Oh hey, now there's a way to go and show of your stupidity. Last I checked I didn't have my own dedicated server with unlimited bandwidth, Shortsighted, so I fail to see how the extremely low grade reconverts of my videos that you see could be any indication of my skill in encoding.
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Post by NicholasDWolfwood » Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:59 am

I have no idea what you're babling about (probably some inane stupidity you slurped up from freakin D00m9). But please, why don't you explain to the class HOW EXACTLY it's a good idea to edit in lossy formats.
ROFLMAO

This retard doesn't know about the switch method. Our own Pat (Quu to you) first came up with the idea. You edit in a lossy codec (IE MJPEG @ 1 or 2 quality) and then switch to the AVS files at the END for a high quality render from Premiere.
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Post by The_Mad_Hatter » Sat Apr 19, 2003 12:39 pm

NicholasDWolfwood wrote: ROFLMAO
Think I'm gonna start calling you Giggles.
This retard doesn't know about the switch method. Our own Pat (Quu to you) first came up with the idea.
Some nobody on some unknown message board comes up with some inane methodology for encoding/editing and you think EVERYBODY knows about it? *snicker* And to think, some people claim that I'm egotistical. o_O
You edit in a lossy codec (IE MJPEG @ 1 or 2 quality) and then switch to the AVS files at the END for a high quality render from Premiere.
...uh...okay Giggles, that's great and all, but HOW EXACTLY is it that, that's a good idea?

It's like you're trying to swim with lead boots on and I come along and I ask, "How does that help you to swim?"

And then you're all like, "Well you see I put these lead boots on..."

o_O

Are you people just taking stupid pills, or what?
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Apr 19, 2003 12:43 pm

The_Mad_Hatter wrote:Some nobody on some unknown message board
You mean the guy who runs most of the convention-based amv contests and exhibitions in the USA? Who's he? :roll:

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Post by The_Mad_Hatter » Sat Apr 19, 2003 12:50 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:
The_Mad_Hatter wrote:Some nobody on some unknown message board
You mean the guy who runs most of the convention-based amv contests and exhibitions in the USA? Who's he? :roll:
Go visit your local mall sometime and ask every person you meet who the guy who runs most of the convention-based amv contests and exhibitions in the USA is, see how many right answers you get (free cl00, it'll be zero).

Hey wait, even better, just go around and ask every person you meet what an AMV is. ROTFL...you poor little fools, you're so bottled up in your lil fish bowl that you don't realize there's a whole other world WAY beyond your lil grasp.
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Apr 19, 2003 12:55 pm

Do you even make videos?

Or maybe you just troll usenet until everyone puts you on their ignore list and then have to resort to trolling forums?

Heh... like usenet is the "whole other world" you are talking about. Some people are video professionals... you are not, so don't pretend to be.

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Post by RadicalEd0 » Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:20 pm

Holee-shit Hatter, I never expected you to fuck up this bad. You've just made yourself look like the biggest fool. Admittedly, there isn't anyone around here that gives a shit how much a dumbass you are, so it's quite a waste. But hopefully it'll teach you to shut your fuckin mouth once in awhile and accept that you know nothing.

Let's get started.
Whose acting like he's 12?
Who's had anything intelligable to say thus far? Also, last time I checked whose denoted possession. Hey, you lamed nick for quote fuckups, don't say a thing about spelling. This is open-air now.
Don't compliment me, Fuckup. I don't like it when pathetic retards compliment me.
As much as you'd like me to look up to you enough to compliment you, you've given me nothing but a shallow, transparent inet reject to look down on and laugh. Eloquent speech isn't any better than harsh speech, it just shows your sad attempt to polish the leftover garbage that comes spewing out of your ass every post.
Which is why the poor boi had to ask for someone else to prove his point...and he couldn't even do that!
sorry butters, he dosen't need the point proven to some sniveling hunk of rejected cat puke like yourself. The truth stands self-evident to those who actually know what they're talking about.
Jeebus H Keerist, it's the pot calling the kettle black.
Sorry newbsauce, did yer eyes fail you again? Did those colorspace tests I did swirl into naked dancing 8 year olds? Yep, shut the fuck up. Had you any real intelligent debate skills, you'd recognize the amount of generalizations you've made. You're like a rock. Can't be moved, can't be broken, but still has an IQ of fuckin zero and can't do anything but sit in the mud.
You still haven't met my challenge. Instead you tried to propose your own half assed challenge that doesn't even make sense. I mean I've got no probs reencoding like you want, but what that's gonna prove and in relation to what...well apparently one has to be trapped in your delusional little world to understand.
Here's where you finally start talking... and the results: Fucking amazing! Could you sound any more moronic?
Your challenge made no sense. Encode some file in Mpeg 4 and then send it to you to re-encode with no quality loss. What the fuck kind of codec comparison is that? Bullshit, you'd have renamed the file sakurasaku.mpg and tried to sell it.
I'm not asking you to re-encode. Do you comprehend anything other than belligerent asstalk? Well I've brought myself down to your level temporarily, so let's try again and hope.
You're going to take the clean source and encode it at a specific bitrate. I'm going to take the clean source and encode it at a specific bitrate. Comparisons will then be done as to which is better quality. That's common fucking sense right there prancer. Apparently you have to have to be trapped with your head up your ass to not understand something as simple as that.
When are you gonna get your ADD under control, Cupcake?
funny, you're the one who can't seem to follow simple trains of debate.
It should actually be DVD (YV12) > Huffyuv (RGB) > Premiere (RGB) > MPEG-1 (YV12)


really? is that so hatter? Is that what it should be? Fucking dumbass. I didn't think I'd have to explain your own posts to you but here goes anyway.
Personally I would suggest, if you've got the space, rip from the VOB files and make HUFFY encodes. Then use TMPGEnc to convert the HUFFY encodes into MPEG-1. Uh, make sure you deinterlace though if you need to.
oh, before I go on, what the fuck is huffy? Huffy? Smart nickname, considering HuffYUV is made up of Huffman and YUV. Huffy sounds like something you do while writing these posts. Sure as hell looks like it too.

Anyway. Where should we start? Well before you jump in headfirst, remember that the question was how to prepare source for editing. Now let's look at your smart as fuck third grade comprehension level in it's projected form:
"rip from the VOB files and make HUFFY encodes"
Ok genius, that right there is YV12 -> YUY2 or YV12 -> RGB. Checks out okay with my description. Moving along;
"Then use TMPGEnc to convert the HUFFY encodes into MPEG-1"
from here we derive, for those who've got a severe case of the stupid, YUY2 OR RGB -> RGB -> YV12.
Still with me champ?
"Uh, make sure you deinterlace though if you need to."
After this the beatings to the head you recieved as a child shine through as you leave the subject dangling in the breeze like your mother's cunt and switch gears completely. One is left to assume you mean for them to now edit with their newly created mpeg 1 files. Don't worry yourself, I'm sure it isn't your fault you have trouble getting the ideas from that vortex of a brain out into this little php post text box.
Only two conversions, fuckup.
maybe in your twisted world where a sharp tongue online matters for shit and kids pose for porn because they want money for food. (Pardon me, cross reference from a different time and place)
I'm on a PII 233Mhz system and I don't keep track of amateur "programmers" on the fuckin d00/\/\9 message boards, so Huffy is the only real option I have for fast editing
listen duchebag, you'd better stop calling yourself an encoder now, because you've got no fuckin clue what you're spewing. I'm not even going to bother referring you to something that is right here on this very goddamn site.
see editing is sort of an important process in making AMVs.
Glad you finally caught onto that idea, it only took 4 amvs.
Can anyone believe this moron? I mean he edits video in a lossy codec?! o_O

That's just...insanely retarded. I haven't checked his videos out though, maybe he's just never done any advanced video editing that requires more than dozen or so reconversions.
Here's where the great wisdom and sharp tongue of the Hatter goes to shit. Not a big drop, but noticable.
You were the numbfuck that suggested, or at least couldnt figure out how to coherently post so that it looked like you weren't suggesting, editing in a lossy codec. Specifically Mpeg 1 genius.
Jesus Keerist, just shut up. Come back when you stop editing video in lossy formats you moron.
Come back when you can actually understand what any of us are saying and realize what a dumbfuck you just made yourself out to be.
Now this moron thinks DvX3.11 supports multiple passes, VBR encoding, etc, etc... *rolls eyes*

If it did, we wouldn't even NEED DivX5 you moron.
ROFL. That was class-A. What a fucking n00b you are.
Ever take a look at nandub 'cupcake'? Hmm cupcake? Cupcake? Getting hungry? OH NO, NOT THE CHINS.
It's not a surprise you don't know what SBC is, even though you spend so much time with the l33t hax0r encoding gurus. You couldn't find your way out of a paper bag with the amount of knowledge you've got in that little tin can ya call a head.
Guess what cherry-lips, I'm going to rock your world and say that DivX 3.11 does support multipass, vbr, and a whole slew of other things you'd never dream of understanding.
If it did, we would still need DivX 5. Well no, nobody needs divx 5, it's wothless. But we would still need the other mpeg 4 codecs. Know why? No, you don't. Whys that? Cuz yer a fuckin newb.
DivX 3.11 is just a hack of microsoft's half-assed mpeg 4 implementation from back in '99. It's old, plagued with bugs, and most importantly not complaint with the mpeg 4 standard. I won't waste time giving a history lesson to someone who can't even make sense of their own fuckin posts though. NEXT
I'll look up the link for ya later on, Cupcake. Of course you'll just backpedal around it like the doofy little clown you are...but, what the hey.
Finally you'll provide some substance behind all the bullshit. Backpedal? I'm not the one wasting time. Get encoding bitch.
Yes, and that's why at bit rates above 500kbps it doesn't DO anything that MPEG-1 and 2 can't already do.

Yeesh, this d00d is so fuckin retarded he's actually arguing MY side and he doesn't even KNOW it. o_O
I love it when you think you're making sense, it's so amusing. Something that's quite a few years newer than other things will usually outperform the old standards, especially if it's optimized to surpass them. Dim wits at their best (worst?).
...what TYPE of conversion was used?

I mean, this is not rocket science, Cupcake. I don't even know what type of conversion avisynth uses, but I'd be willing to bet that it's not the absolute BEST.
Do you understand rgb -> yuv conversions at all? I'd think you'd have picked that up on the first page of google searches for yv12 you did before you made these posts. What type of conversion... let's sit on that question and think about it till it hatches.
What type...
Seriously, you're kidding with this one, right? It's too fucking obvious for you not to be.
Uh huh, sure ya do...it's called stupidity...although personally that's not a very good excuse.
no dumbass, it's called resourcefulness and ingenius. Two things you'll never see the likes of.
I have no idea what you're babling about
no shit
But please, why don't you explain to the class HOW EXACTLY it's a good idea to edit in lossy formats.
why don't you explain exactly what it feels like to be this blatantly stupid.
D00d, you can't even get your fucking quotes right...don't go around telling people you're one of the smartest.
d00d you cant even make sense of your own posts, you should have your tail waay between your legs by now.
Actually you don't seem to know anything. So far all you've been able to do is claim I've been wrong and then you sit around waiting for someone to think up an argument for you.
Same to you, minus the argument part. You simply have none.
I fail to see how the extremely low grade reconverts of my videos that you see could be any indication of my skill in encoding.
Possibly because any real encoder could do a hell of a lot more with 680 kbps than you have?
Some nobody on some unknown message board comes up with some inane methodology for encoding/editing and you think EVERYBODY knows about it? *snicker* And to think, some people claim that I'm egotistical. o_O
You have a very good point there. If it wasnt on the fucking main page.
Go visit your local mall sometime and ask every person you meet who the guy who runs most of the convention-based amv contests and exhibitions in the USA is, see how many right answers you get (free cl00, it'll be zero).
You forgot to take your rittalin champ. Sit down, take a look around. Know where you are? An AMV message board! Whoa! Why would we expect someone on an AMV board (that's you, btw) to know this sort of thing!??! It's not like they're at all related!
What a lamer you are, making up cheap excuses for your ignorance. Just like you'll blame mpeg's website when you're owned in that video comparison. What a weakling.

you poor little fools, you're so bottled up in your lil fish bowl that you don't realize there's a whole other world WAY beyond your lil grasp.
Yes, and that world is usenet.
You're done, run along little donedone.

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