You and me VegettoEX! We would make an awsome team!!!VegettoEX wrote: I've never been afraid to walk right up to these people and tell them how fucking retarded they're being. Like I said, they're usually so insecure at heart, that it shuts them right the Hell up.
Then again, I welcome and seek out confrontations.
He did, but no one really listened. Well they did at first, but things slowly got out of hand. Then by the end it was just chaos.dwchang wrote:Based on all that I read on the pre-screening I suggest Matt say something about heckling prior to the video judging and also about juding itself since there seems to be some discrepencies (as IserJohn said).
about 20 might be safe to say. Give or take 4-5 from time to time. But there really wern't many people to be honest.dwchang wrote:Also, just how many people were at the pre-screening? It sounds like a lot more than say 20 - 30 ppl which is what I thought. It sounds like it mainly b/c of all the heckling...ppl usually do that to draw attention to themselves and thus I am assuming this means there was an audience who's attention they were trying to get i.e...look cool in front of.
As for people making comments I waited till after the vid to say something. I think it was Brad DeMoss' vid that I had said "what the hell was he smoking?" in an obvious comedic scense since the video was good (at least I liked it). So I can understand some things, but some of the stuff said was enough to make a creator cry.
As for people being cool in front of others. I found that the majority of the people were congrigated around iserlohn. He was by no means the one making the most comments I don't believe, but he had his fair share (everyone was guilty of it at some point I'm sorry to say), but some seemed to take more mathotical pleasure in it then others.
It was something like that IMO.dwchang wrote:Perhaps I am misunderstanding something. Perhaps you just meant that they were rarely impressed and stated that outloud...like if a video was simple and executed well...it's not good since it doesn't have mad effects.
Most.....but not all. I myself LOVE to see new series I've never seen or heard of before. I get sick of seing the ame stuff used over and over and over, because everyone always uses the same "money shots" again and again. That's how AMV's are killing EVA, Ah My Goddas the movie, and the like.dwchang wrote:Most AMV fans like the popular animes or songs and the stupidest scenes...videos with this no matter how bad are always good to them...it appears not in this case...surprising.
Another quick observation I would like to make. I found that the "big name creators" tended not to get heckled, and were generally excepted better then those of no name artists. A great example of this was Doki Doki. There was nothing wrong with his video, so it does deserve whatever praise it recieves. But there was another no name artest who had the generally same idea that doki doki had for his. They both used different storys, anime, and music, but the consept behind them was identical. The only peoblem with this second "no name" video was that there was a slight compositional glitch that I wont get into as not to give the content of either vid away. But asside from that they were in essence the same video. But you could tell Doki's was recieved much better by the group. Now I don't really know for sure if this argument can hold water or not, but the mass tended to favor the known creators over people they don't know. Most people will say that the "big guys" get higher scores and always win because they do deserve it. And in many instances I do agree with this. But isn't it bossible that people are being partial to them at the same time? This is why I like blind judging. Perhaps that could be done for review purposes in the future.
Well the Screening was from 10am-6pm. The 3 tapes worth we watch only translates to 6 or 6 hours max, but between potty breaks, lunch, and a few technical glitches everything ran about 8 hours.dwchang wrote:8 AM?!?! 8 hours of AMVS for just 3 tapes?!?!? WHOA! There are THAT many videos?!?! Damn!
Well one of the creators there personally knew the creators of some of the videos that were reviewed. He was quite upset with the amout of heckling going on.dwchang wrote:Well I certainly hope none of the creators were there at least. Damn now you got me all paranoid about my own entry and if people are heckling it. Maybe it's a good thing I'm no there.
And I don't blame you for not wanting to be there for your own vid. To be honest I don't either if it will be a repeat of this saturday. But if Matt Quu used the full version of my vid for pre-screening (the one with my logo.......I send in two versions. 1 for the prescreenings with the logo, and one if I make the contest without the logo like Matt requested), then anyone has something to say about the vid can say it TO MY FACE. i have the same logo on my hat I wear. I am sure someone will notice the similarity eventually. College folk are suposed to be bright like that.
I can take the heckeling and everything becaue I'm just wired like that. If you can't laugh at yourself then you are seriously screwed. Besides, if any really want to get into with me, I have no problem with telling the to go f*ck themselves in front of everyone. But if you are going to complain about how it sucks, then let me know WHY it sucks, not just that it does. Also it is not nessasary to be an ass about it. I'm listening to you, you don't need to get my attention by cursing at me and giving me a hard time.
Believe me, it was.trythil wrote:I wouldn't be surprised, for example, if a lot of the heckling was directed towards the sappier videos :/
Well suprisingly enough, everyone was awake and aware of their surroundings. They were heckeling too much to sleep.Vlad G Pohnert wrote:I find several probelms with pre-screening so many vidoe in a few video viewing sessions.
One is that it ends up being 6 or more hours. Even the best of use have a hard time seeing so many videos all at once and that for sure will have a profound influience on the judging of the vidoes since as the hours go on, peole get more tired and less interested and the scores start to change for the better or worse. In short, people have relativly short attendtion spans. O know, since I did audiance judging at Anime Expo in 2000. We watched videos for over 6 hours and after about 4 the heckling got worse and people were in a daze and yet judging continued! By the time the evening was over, 60% had left, 1/3 were almost asleep, another 1/3 didn't care anymore and we were still judging videos!!
You'd thing people come to these screening to watch and judge videos. I think this task has to be taken somewhat seriously and quite frankly people who heckle video I thing should end up being alsked to leave. But, I know that wilth the shear hours and videos one has to watch, this kind of behaivoir will be inevitable so throwing people out for heckling in the end just will end up pretty much clear the room...
The last point is that as people leave/come, the judging criteria of each video changes.. Let say if a group of people leave, will this affect the results releative to the other voted videos. Statistically it realy shouldn't and in theory the good videos should be picked, but when your start dealing with larger groups of people it just don't work that way...
I think the only serious way to judge such a sheer amount of videos is to watch only a fixed amount of hours each day by the same group of people. Now I know that's sound great in theory and this may not be possible in actuallity. If it is desired to have a larger crowed judge the vidoes then this would basically become totaly impossible! I agree that this is not something easily resolved, but with the number of submission on the rise, eventually something different will have to be done in order to be as fair as possible to all those who enter....
As for scores changing, I had a number of +1 and I think a +2 somewhere on the final tape (thought others were braging how a 0 is the highest anyone got on it). I have ADD (just the attention problem not the hyperactivity) and have not taken meds since I was in highshcool 3 years ago, and have no problem with being there for a long period. If tapes 3 and 4 had been finished yet I would have had no problem with staying there to watch them (Matt might have had other ideas though, lol). But I do agree with you on this as most of my friends can't even sit throught 1 AMV let alone an entire tape. And they can't even stand to watch an entire episode of DBZ (AND THEY LIKE DBZ!!!), They are also a little slow (slower then me anyway) to grasp complicated subjects and like watching WWF, Smack Down, Raw and all that kind of stuff. If there is any kind of connection there or not I am not sure, but I suspect there is. But yeah, people generally have no attention span.
As for people comming to watch and judge videos. I think the problem with prescreening is that a large majority of people could not give a crap about the judging part. They simply come to see the videos before anyone else does. I actualy get nervous going to prescreenings because I don't want to be confused for one of these people. Infact, many of the videos I saw saturday I had already seen throught downloading and watching them. If I had just wanted to see the vids first, then my goal is already accomplished.
I think where the the problem lies is getting large groups of people together who know eachother.
I think last year at UMBC we had a large mix of people there, creators and Anime Club members were about equal if not shifted more to the creator side if the fence. I remember there were a few slight heckeling uprisings which were emediatly shot down by the creators and Matt.
And on your commend about making everything more fair, you are right. It is a mixed bag. You have the creators who may be biast to other creators, Non creators who my be partial to a few select creators, and groups who's mob mentality just gives one of two people the power of many.
You can never find the perfect way for doing this kind of thing. I mean, even the contest itself is based on being biast to some, partial to others.
There are just so many factors there is no really sure fire way to ensure the fairness, but wrather there is "reasonable fairness".
You can try I guess. But mad did mention some vids that had been DQ'd due to no signed submission form.PhReAkAzOiD187 wrote:this is probably stupid...but is there still time to send in the mailed entry form? i keep putting it off. heh
And that is why everyone is talking about this Saturdays prescreening. Because to all parties involved (at least to this party) it seems that the Terripin Anime Society had basicly taken the vote.Nappy wrote:That's a small amount of ppl prejugding such a big con no? I mean couldn't someone just bring a group of friends and hold a large percent of the vote o_O
Appearences can be decieveing. I for one was votig higher on stuff then I let on. I just smiled and shook my head when someone said "that sucked" or something. So who knows how anyone really voted besides Matt right now?
On a side note. Something I really liked was the comments section. I made many good and bad comments. The one I had to say again and again was to Deinterlace!
Well if it makes you and Vlad feel any better. Usually we only do 2 tapes at a time. But we were waiting for the USPS to get tapes 1 & 2 to us from Quu, who had overnighted them. SO as Matt's backup plan we watch the submissions that that would be condensed into tape 5. They were not even on a single tape yet, so there was much slowness and breaking inbetween each video. So once tape 1 & 2 finally arrived we got to those. I don't believe Matt's intention was for us to view the three tapes like that, it just happened that way.dwchang wrote:Funny considering ACen does this EVERY year with over 100 entries. IIRC we were up from 7 p.m. - 4 a.m. narrowing down entries. I agree that things can go wrong at the last minute. Given, this is not Quu's fault...he just does tech and lets the coordinator decide how they wanna do it...unfortunately, ACen does it this way even though a number of us have suggested otherwise...
I emailed Jason to see how it went. He shoufl get back to me soon. I'll let you guys know what he said.Ashyukun wrote:Dang. It sounds like prescreenings down South were a bit rowdy. Anyone go to the NYC one? I should have been there, but once again my AMV-related plans were thwarted by other aspects of my life. Hopefully a decent judging job overall was done at the pre-screenings in spite of the apparent problems....
So Matt, if you are reading this......what's your stance on the the whole subject of the prescreenings?
