What makes a video re-viewable?

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:49 am

TaranT wrote:
flint_the_dwarf wrote:My personal favorite of Kevin Caldwell's is his "Sleep Now" vid and that is extremely well synced (as good as "Believe") ans pretty short.
I don't think you want to put Kevin's name on "Sleep Now":
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/legacy/video.php?v=94

Kevin also has a Sleep Now video, to Key the Metal Idol:

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/legacy/video.php?v=574

alternatefutures · Post by **alternatefutures** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:05 am

Thanks AD. Even though you basically said everything I wanted to say, I'm still going to say it anyway ^_^

Why do I make AMVs? Honestly, because I can. That people are entertained is a happy side effect. If I wanted purely to entertain people I would spit out one or two videos a month, instead I'm in it for the challenge, and so my videos are now taking six+ months to complete. I'm out to climb a mountain, and you don't do something like that for the roar of the crowd when you succeed, but for the silent feeling of satisfaction you get when you reach the summit.

Ashton · Post by **Ashton** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:29 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Just because the goals are different doesn't mean they are bad.

I never said it was. I'm sorry if that came off the wrong way, what I was trying to say is that it's important that we all take some time and meditate on our objectives. I mean, I am here to create something great and memorable. I know I can't claim that now, but my objective is very clearly to create something that people can root for. Because it's just like music in a way, I go out to show others how I feel about something. When a person is truly immersed in my emotion, I think that's when a video is entertaining. So it's not like the two are polar opposites, on the contrary I believe they are inextricably bound to one another.
Besides, we are still talking about re-viewability right? We're kind of going off on an artistic tangent of what makes a video "good" which, we have established, is something very different than what makes it re-viewable.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:46 am

Ashton wrote:Besides, we are still talking about re-viewability right? We're kind of going off on an artistic tangent of what makes a video "good" which, we have established, is something very different than what makes it re-viewable.

But that's not what you are saying. By saying that 'how entertaining a video is' is inextricablhy linked to reviewability you are making a value judgment on the quality of a video based upon it's reviewability. You haven't left any room in your video ethos for good, entertaining but not very reviewable videos.

You say that being immersed in emotion is an example of entertainment - sure - but in this case entertainment and reviewability are NOT always linked. For example, I was immersed in emotion watching the movie Grave of the Fireflies but because the movie is so sad, I don't want to watch it again and again. I've seen it twice - once from my DVD and once at a cinema and I dont think I'll be opening the dvd case any time soon.

This is an example where reviewability and being immersed in emotion are not linked.

Also, I think reviewability doesnt affect the scores in the top 10% and i think that's honestly justified.

Hitori · Post by **Hitori** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:11 am

And then it all comes down to "personal preference."

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 12:11 pm

"I make amvs for my own personal enjoyment..."

I'm not going to saying anything regarding that, we all have our own reasons.

I do it for the "friendly competition". I make videos that win. Or at least try...

To me, a high reviewability is what I'm surely gunning for. I can honestly say that if a video is super reviewable, it's other aspects can almost be disavowed knowing that people will see the video repeatedly despite such things.

If the editing sux, review is lowered, if the song sux, review may go down because of dislike for the song.

Either way, I make vids for the masses. You say that's not a worthy cause? Whatever... The difference is, I like the videos I make. I don't make videos I hate just to appease the crowds. I have confidence in my tastes that my vids will be likeable despite the fact that they're all, uh, [nervous laugh] digisubs...

^_^

aaronlye · Post by **aaronlye** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 12:35 pm

Obviously, the perfect combination would be if the person knows the anime series used AND loves the song - usually if these criteria are met, I'll watch a vid more than once.

I try not to loop too much though - there's nothing more likely to kill a video than oversaturation - spacing each viewing out helps with prolonging the experience.

It's just like with anime - I don't watch EVERY episode in some huge marathon the moment I get a new series for that very same reason.

Sierra Lorna · Post by **Sierra Lorna** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 5:31 pm

Hm... all of you guys are right. I guess, it does just depend on your own opinion. Someone said that Odorikuruu wasn't that re-viewable, but that's the only video I've ever watched over and over again like crazy.

I know other people may disagree with me, but the main reason I make AMVs is to make other people happy. If someone likes my videos, then I'm happy. So basically, I make people happy to make myself happy. I don't much like watching my own videos myself. I hate all of my videos and I'm not sure I ever will truly think any of them as "good". But if someone else likes them, that's good enough for me. This is why I was trying to make my vids re-viewable. I find that all the ones I like to watch over and over again are the good ones.

Re-viewability is based on your own personal opinion. I can certainly see that being true.

Thanks for the help, everyone.

Ashton · Post by **Ashton** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:38 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote: You say that being immersed in emotion is an example of entertainment - sure - but in this case entertainment and reviewability are NOT always linked. For example, I was immersed in emotion watching the movie Grave of the Fireflies but because the movie is so sad, I don't want to watch it again and again. I've seen it twice - once from my DVD and once at a cinema and I dont think I'll be opening the dvd case any time soon.

This is an example where reviewability and being immersed in emotion are not linked.

Oh… tou che! You are correct. I have had the exact same experience, and you are undeniably correct. Back to the drawing board ^_^

OmniStrata wrote: I do it for the "friendly competition". I make videos that win. Or at least try...

Thank you very much. You have finally said what I felt to shallow to say this entire time ^_^

It's true, there really is nothing (well, maybe not nothing in it for me other than my fierce competitive nature. I simply must win and there is nothing else to it. (Note that it is hugely crushing to have not won anything yet ^_^)[/i]

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:48 pm

Thanks for clearing that up AD, about the KC vid. I guess I should've been more specific but I wasn't sure if that was the name of the vid or just the song.

As for reviewability I think I'm with you AD, but it is important to me. But it isn't singularly important and I don't mind if some vids aren't reviewable at all. And it is somewhat of an unfair category because, as has been stated, some genres of videos aren't meant to be reviewed. And to top that off, these videos without replay value are necessary for diversity. It doesn't mean that it's a bad video. It's more a category like lip sync and digital effects. Some videos are meant to be reviewable and should be judged as such, not as an integral element to a good AMV. Action and comedy vids, for example, should usually be reviewable. But making reviewablity an optional category wouldn't be a great idea because some people wouldn't include even if it should be. Well that's what I've got to say about it.