Make an AMV. Buy a Powerbook.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:49 pm

Nightowl wrote:Thank you for understanding. The thread has been very interesting to read, as I don't really follow things on such a purely technical level and therefore don't really know much about it. I just wish people would start realizing that you can't benchmark an opinion or how well someone works with a particular system - after a certain number of arguments and people acting like assholes toward you based on the equipment you use, you tend to get a little... paranoid? Defensive, there it is.

-N

Yeah exactly. As much as I'd love for you to switch to AMD (being an Engineer here), you can't really argue performance to someone who is just used to that system and programs and more importantly, likes them. I mean you can have all the speed in the world, but if you don't like the programs and interface, it's kind of a moot point.

So yeah, even though performance is something we can argue, your personal preferences are your own and we shouldn't try and argue against them. It'd be pretty pointless.

Sorry if I came across that way in anyway.

Nightowl · Post by **Nightowl** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:13 pm

Wow, alternatefutures, that was really clever! How you assumed that I, as a Mac user, immediately mis-read everything. You sure got me. I just wish I could blindly read everything, look at every benchmark, read every statistic... then I would know everything! Because, you know, the Intel, AMD, Microsoft, IBM, PC, whatever you want to say... they aren't companies that release benchmarks favoring their equipment at all. Only Apple does that. Evil corporate Apple! Smack them down! Because they have such a high percentage of the world market! They must be evil...

I don't even LIKE Steve Jobs. My entire point was that benchmarks and what-not are pointless if people aren't efficient on these super-fast machines. That, and most of the time, they don't figure in the specific hardware someone is going to be putting in their system. The initial benchmark may show that my PC is faster than my Mac, but due to all the crap I've loaded into the Mac, it isn't, and I'm more efficient with the damned thing. You're still being a dick. Stop it.

dwchang wrote:As much as I'd love for you to switch to AMD...

What's funny is I do have an AMD

And I do love it - I still believe in using Macs and PCs side by side, as I work better on a PC when doing CGI. For me, video will always dominate on the Mac. For video compression (web-release, etc.), PC. For uncompressed broadcast professional work, Mac. Print work... I tend to use both.

As a reader of the thread, you came across as someone who knows what they're talking about, not judgemental. My initial "Hey, guys" statement was more of a plea for respect to Mac users, as I don't see many of these awful Mac users I hear so much about in this forum. Sometimes I simply like to stand up for myself... and the other five Mac users in the community. It's just that I hear about stats so much these days, but to me, they're so pointless. If the system works, it works... I don't really care how fast it is. I'm simply trying to show another perspective, as a different type of professional in a computer-dominated field. If I come off as an asshole, let me know.

alternatefutures already thinks I'm an asshole, so... yeah. Sorry about that... I'm just trying to bring something different to the table.

-N

alternatefutures · Post by **alternatefutures** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:59 pm

But you still indicate that you don't read my posts, otherwise you would have known that I don't trust ANYTHING that comes out of any company with a vested interest in how the benchmarks turn out. So your sarcastic remark

Because, you know, the Intel, AMD, Microsoft, IBM, PC, whatever you want to say... they aren't companies that release benchmarks favoring their equipment at all.

Only reinforces my post. Also, you again ignored my statement

For speed and stability, use Win2K. Otherwise use what you know.

I had to put that in bold so you wouldn't mis-read it again. So, let's see... what am I saying here? Uh, the PC has better hardware, but use what you're used to. Gee, I am a Mac basher with that kind of idea, aren't I? I'm the computer equivalent of Hitler himself! Microsoft Heil!

I would say I'm sorry for giving you the wrong impression, but really, I'm not. Everytime I get into a civil discussion about the various platforms some fanboy has to get on my case because I won't drink the Kool-Aid with them. This is why I am so linient to Intel. Sure, it may be a monopolistic giant, but its supporters are much less likely to bite your head off if you say something not overly glowing about the product.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 6:21 pm

Nightowl wrote: What's funny is I do have an AMD And I do love it

In Mr. Burns voice: Excellent

Nightowl wrote:As a reader of the thread, you came across as someone who knows what they're talking about, not judgemental. My initial "Hey, guys" statement was more of a plea for respect to Mac users, as I don't see many of these awful Mac users I hear so much about in this forum. Sometimes I simply like to stand up for myself... and the other five Mac users in the community. It's just that I hear about stats so much these days, but to me, they're so pointless. If the system works, it works... I don't really care how fast it is. I'm simply trying to show another perspective, as a different type of professional in a computer-dominated field. If I come off as an asshole, let me know.

Thanks. I try my best to not judge and offer only logical arguments with backed-up data.

At the same time, I am kind of glad you're posting about this since well...you're right there aren't a lot of MAC users and it's nice to hear what they say about things. I mean it's not much of discussion if everyone just agrees right?

At the same time, like I said earlier, I have considered purchasing a powerbook since I've heard good things about the video editing software available (and my frustrations with Premiere). Don't tell my company though

As for you being an asshole...nope...you've been pretty good and only defending yourself when you think you are being attacked. That's natural too.

As for alternatefutures and yourself, it looks like you guys are just having a misunderstanding. From reading and posting on the forums, I know that both of you are fairly calm and reasonble people that generally have something positive to add to the discussion and I'm guessing there was some sort of misinterprettation. I don't think alternatefutures was trying to say "this is better because of this and this, so therefore you must use it or you're a poo poo head." At the same time, I can understand the necessity to "defend" yourself since well...like you said there aren't a lot of MAC users and the few there are, get bashed generally.

Regardless...hopefully this will be water under the bridge.

Nightowl · Post by **Nightowl** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 8:57 pm

alternatefutures said he is Hitler! He said it! Not me!

I'm good now, I missed the part where you said "use what you know..." I just wish more people would understand that and go with the flow - when you get bashed enough based solely on the tools you choose to work with, you tend to get defensive... especially on these forums. Regardless of anything else, I've said all I've wanted... I think... now I'm gonna go out drinking. Continue the technology discussion, I'll be over here

-N

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:48 pm

Nightowl wrote:when you get bashed enough based solely on the tools you choose to work with

Funny considering I've heard that Final Cut Pro >>> Adobe Premiere.

alternatefutures · Post by **alternatefutures** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:26 pm

But Final Cut Pro is >>> than Premiere

I understand getting bashed solely for what tools you work with, namely because in my little realm where I do want to see all partys succeed I all too often get hit with the backlash, as you kindly demonstrated. To your credit, once the proper line was pointed out you backed off, but people like you are way too rare. The first day the G5 was released, because I stayed in my middle ground, I was called an idiot, a hypocrite, a troll, and even a paid Intel shill (that's not even counting the asshole you threw at me, but you get a pass on that because I actually am), and no matter how many times I try to get them to actually READ my posts the same people kept throwing out the same names and mis-quoting me. So, you can see my frustration as well.

But all is well now. Come, let us sit around the P4 3.2Ghz and roast marshmallows over its heat dissipation while we sing Kumbyah!

Ashyukun · Post by **Ashyukun** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:38 pm

Naw, use a 12" Powerbook- they're more convenient, as you don't even have to take off any cases or such.

iserlohn · Post by **iserlohn** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 11:05 pm

alternatefutures wrote: how Apple really doesn't want to even acknowledge AMD's existance.

That's funny, because I've seen the inside of apple's wireless hub and it uses....

an AMD processor.

alternatefutures · Post by **alternatefutures** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 11:11 pm

Which, oddly, is part of why Apple doesn't want to acknowledge AMD's existance. Kind of like the Wizard of Oz. "Do not look inside the case!"