Will the true editing Masters-to-be step up?

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:17 pm

OmniStrata wrote: Oh, another thing, if they're making a Linkin' Bark Z vid, they REALLY shouldn't post them here. I'm also looking out for those who may get hurt. By posting "whatever they want", there's a HUGE chance they WILL get dissed out if they make these DBZ/LP vids. (this is a known fact that it will happen one of two ways... totally ignored, which is fine, or totally attacked and flamed, which I think is not...)

I want to save them the annoyance of getting dissed out by others... Or receiving "vengeance" reviews cause they made Linkin' Bark Z.

People can post what they want dude. As long as they enjoyed making and watching their vids, that is all that counts to me. Just because a video doesn't live up to your lofty standards doesn't mean other people can't enjoy their work. AMV making doesn't adhere to the "Omnistrata" scale of good editing in order to be classified as a legit video. All you are doing is discouraging people and that doesn't help anything accept your selfish reasons for watching what you call "good" AMV's.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:22 pm

I haven't been involved with this for any way for more than a month...

I haven't asked any professionals for help directly, but I read the guides. Actually, that's why I haven't asked them - cause I bothered to read the guides. (duh)

The beginning of my trip here was at another community, where I made a thoroughly inflammatory post about lack of originality in most AMV's and declared that if I ever wanted to make one, it would be not to jump bandwagons nor to even make people like me, but just to make something contrary to common practice, and rectify certain (as I saw them) injustices. Which, in a way turned out true, in a way - not quite.

I like anime, but my primary drive and inspiration comes from the music. It is my love for music that moved me to become interested in this.

I still have no plans to become to any degree a pro or expert at AMV making, nor attempt to chase the elusive masters and match their work. Nope, I'll just sit here in my basement, and when a strong, persistent idea comes and hits me in the head again, I'll launch Premiere and do something. Something largely modest. I have no interest in spending hundreds of hours fine-tuning some fancy effect or attempting to impress anyone with unassailably perfect timing.

Which, to some part, why I'm not really seeking any sort of massive, thorough critique. I'm an amateur and would find it kind of unfair if people started comparing me to oh... Kevin f***in Caldwell or something. At that, I already know most of my deficiencies and mistakes, some of which are unavoidable, some of which are almost intentional.

With me, the motto is 'Honor sufficiency'. I'm prepared to work on videos to the point where they reflect my intentions and impressions of the music, and not a minute more.

***

So, suppose I've come out. Not only am I a beginner, but I'm also a self-professed AMV amateur. And proud of it.

Amateur

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:30 pm

Again, you're misinterpreting what I said...

Hmm...

A noob. I'm not expecting anything stellar. Not at all, NOBODY has to edit like me. [which is fine...] I'm not saying EVERYONE MUST be good starting off, no...

People can post what they want? What if what they post gets them hurt? Or not me, but others will diss them out? I'm on the worst case scenario here.

I'm running into people who are casual amv watchers and they diss amvs cause they think "ah, it's nothing but DBZ amvs I see these days". That's what's making me kind of upset.

MJ, you are not a noob. In fact, from what I read in your profile, you were one of the GREAT noobs! You've made mistakes, and you've learned from them and from the mistakes of others. Which is fine. I just wish that the newer people these days wouldn't be so hasty.

"Post what they want?" Yes, I don't watch, them, I ignore them. I don't want to opinionate them since my scaling is harsh enough as is. No I'm not particularly offended when someone makes a DBZ vid, BUT...

There are noobs out there who are NOT doing the "right" thing. My definition of "right" is NOT THE definition. It's what I think a minority [yes, that's right minor] of people are starting to notice.

When I talk to a friend who says "AMVs all suck, they're just DBZ..." And they use THIS SITE as a way to 'support' their "opinion", what am I to do?!

What I'm here for is a check to see who is reading the guides and learning from mistakes. I'm also asking, it's a mistake to start off with Linkin' Bark Z BUT did you learn from it?

Elitism, there's obviously more than one definition here...

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:33 pm

Otohiko wrote:I haven't asked any professionals for help directly, but I read the guides. Actually, that's why I haven't asked them - cause I bothered to read the guides. (duh)

THANKS! You are the type of person I want to hear in this thread... One who learns from his mistakes, like me as a noob. One who read the guides!

One less person the world can use as an excuse that amvs are all DBZ Linkin' Bark...

thank you!

Ya know? I want to hear now from the Linkin' Bark Z people! They probably learned from previous mistakes! ^_^ Why SHOULDN'T I hear what they have to say?

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:53 pm

I'm with MJ on this one.

But if there's absolutely one thing I would never take away from new editors, Linkin Ball Z or not, that would be the fun of making videos for the first time.

Let them have their moment and just continue watching the latest EVA/NIN videos please.

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:54 pm

OmniStrata wrote:
When I talk to a friend who says "AMVs all suck, they're just DBZ..." And they use THIS SITE as a way to 'support' their "opinion", what am I to do?!

Point them to the videos you enjoy?

Making good vids takes time and practice, there is nothing wrong in learning how to edit with music and anime you enjoy, even if it is DBZ/LP. People should not be restricted in making videos just because >YOU< don't like it. Hell, there may be some people that say "OMFG! I can't stand dance videos!" and demand your's be removed because they don't like it. How would you feel then?

Hitori · Post by **Hitori** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:54 pm

*this was a real instant message that happened sometime this week. the name of the user and where the user is from will remain confidential.

n00bAMVer: hey what's up?
IAmHitori: hi
n00bAMVer: asl
n00bAMVer: 14/f/(confidential)
IAmHitori: i'm too old
IAmHitori: ;p
n00bAMVer: do u have Adobe Priemere
n00bAMVer: lol
n00bAMVer: no ur not
IAmHitori: how do you know?

IAmHitori: yes i have Premiere
n00bAMVer: seen your site
IAmHitori: oh ok
IAmHitori:

IAmHitori: so what's up?
n00bAMVer: can u send it to me
n00bAMVer: the program it's self
IAmHitori: uuumm.. nope... i actually have the program...
IAmHitori:

n00bAMVer: o on your comp.
IAmHitori: yup and the program on CD
n00bAMVer: what about the set up?
n00bAMVer: o
n00bAMVer: ok
IAmHitori: i never downloaded premiere
IAmHitori: i'm a poor broke college student
IAmHitori: -_-
n00bAMVer: lucky you
n00bAMVer: heehee
IAmHitori: :-p
n00bAMVer: how much does it cost?
IAmHitori: i got the student discount
IAmHitori: like 200
n00bAMVer: o
IAmHitori: sorry i can't help you
n00bAMVer: it's ok
n00bAMVer: dou have any Inu-Yasha Videoclips
n00bAMVer: what format are they in?
IAmHitori: i don't have any of that
IAmHitori: sorry
n00bAMVer: o
n00bAMVer: ok

*this transmission did not give the name or location of said user. this is not to hurt the person involved but to show this as an example of what not to do!

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:58 pm

Hitori wrote:*this was a real instant message that happened sometime this week. the name of the user and where the user is from will remain confidential.

Good ol A/S/L...

Hitori · Post by **Hitori** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:02 pm

That was a real convo man! I changed the user name and kept the location secret...

I'm not the hurting kind of person so who ever it was(and she may as well be browsing the forum) don't take this personal.. It's just something that you or anyone else shouldn't be doing.

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:04 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:
OmniStrata wrote:
When I talk to a friend who says "AMVs all suck, they're just DBZ..." And they use THIS SITE as a way to 'support' their "opinion", what am I to do?!

Point them to the videos you enjoy? Making good vids takes time and practice, there is nothing wrong in learning how to edit with music and anime you enjoy, even if it is DBZ/LP. People should not be restricted in making videos just because >YOU< don't like it. Hell, there may be some people that say "OMFG! I can't stand dance videos!" and demand your's be removed because they don't like it. How would you feel then?

I'd point them to the dbz vids (if there are soo many of them, does that make them "right"?) Seriously though, I'm not saying we ALL have to be perfect. (which is impossible) I'm just saying, the amv community WILL GET HURT by this continuing trend that's occuring. Don't tell me you don't see this trend. The AMV is GETTING a bad name. Nothing irritates me more then people saying that amvs are done by "losers who have too much time on their hands". I DO point them to vids I like to watch. [yes MJ, this includes quite a number of yours]

Too many of the amvs coming out are by people who do NOT know how to learn from mistakes. I'm referring to mine own as well. Make mistakes? That's good! Learn from them? That's fine! Make mistakes that hurt the entire community?! NNNNNOOOOOOOO.

I will not stand idly by and watch this happen.

Make vids that you like? Fine! Make vids that you like! But... don't think that you WON'T get ignored/toasted if it's Linkin' Bark Z! I'm not saying Linkin' Bark Z makers are all idiots (no, I'm not like that) but, I AM saying that more and more casual people are starting to say, "AMVs? Get a LIFE..."