Will the true editing Masters-to-be step up?

[BishounenStalker]

Hey, I saw that one, thought it was great. (Sorry, forgot I never left an op for it). In fact, it was one of the earlier ones I saw, and being new to AMV's, I thought to myself "holy cow, there were alot of scenes in that episode that just matched mouth movements perfect with that song".

Thanks

I'm just mad I didn't have more episodes available. Damn Funimation. They licensed the series, but there's no news on domestic DVD release yet >.<

[OmniStrata]

I practice my ninja editing techniques day and night in preparation for the AMVs I will soon be putting out.It's actually amazing how much one can lean in just a month or two. The latest things I released were in multi-editor projects (DDR3 and MI:2), and the new stuff I am doing is so much better than that, and that stuff wasn't so long ago.

So for anyone who thinks that some lamer who comes on the site thinking they are all badass, when in actuality they suck, can't improve their technique and artistry in ust a couple months, you're sadly mistaken.

If you work hard and really put your mind to you, you can get good really fast. (Some faster than others, of course... I've sucked for the past 2 years It's taken me that long to get good.. but most of my improvement has been in the last couple months.)

So yeah. Keep an open mind with the new people. They just might shape up.

I LOVE what some of you people are posting here... And yes Daniel, I shoulda been more careful wording mah stuffs... Still, I can always count on Euphoria to kill the newbies like Machine mentioned...

[dwchang]

I LOVE what some of you people are posting here... And yes Daniel, I shoulda been more careful wording mah stuffs... Still, I can always count on Euphoria to kill the newbies like Machine mentioned...

I understand that your intention is pure in that you want to help (and I applaud that), but it appears like you're almost forcing people to not make what they want (even if it is Linkinball Z). As I have already alluded to, you can't force creativity or originality in people. It's either there or it's not. And first and foremost, it's a hobby, if they wanna make a certain AMV, they should have every right to doing it without being chastised; just as we have the right not to like it.

Again, I understand your intentions, but the way you word it, you're almost like forcing them to accept you (and others) as some magical savior. I think a better way to have presented this would've been like:

"Hey if you are having a tough time with your video. Feel free to ask here."

without naming specific videos or already bringing up things that you (and others) feel are wrong with the community. You may want to help, but to bring specific examples and things people shouldn't do before they even ask; is not helping. You're almost forcing your ideals and beliefs on them and they never asked for that.

Now, not to say I don't disagree that there is a lack of "good" videos out there, but at the same time, I choose not to watch them and if someone asks me to take a look at something, I am honest with them. See? They ask and then I answer. It's not the other way around, which stating examples and condemning beforehand, is doing.

So in essence, let people do what they want and if you'd like, keep a thread open where people can ask questions. However, don't go about stating your beliefs beforehand and for some things, I'd suggest private messaging instead of in a public forum.

Oh yeah and don't get me wrong, I think what you are *trying* to do is a good thing, but your methods I disagree with.

[Arigatomina]

So in essence, let people do what they want and if you'd like, keep a thread open where people can ask questions. However, don't go about stating your beliefs beforehand and for some things, I'd suggest private messaging instead of in a public forum.

You know, Dwchang, my respect for you is growing higher (even if you *do* know more about RK than anyone should ^_~ ). You're quite eloquent and level-headed when you argue, and I appreciate that - it makes for a very nice debating style.

I think one of the biggest problems with this thread is the manner of attack, and the word-choices being used. The goal and intention are great, but the delivery sucks.

[OmniStrata]

I LOVE what some of you people are posting here... And yes Daniel, I shoulda been more careful wording mah stuffs... Still, I can always count on Euphoria to kill the newbies like Machine mentioned...

I understand that your intention is pure in that you want to help (and I applaud that), but it appears like you're almost forcing people to not make what they want (even if it is Linkinball Z). As I have already alluded to, you can't force creativity or originality in people. It's either there or it's not. And first and foremost, it's a hobby, if they wanna make a certain AMV, they should have every right to doing it without being chastised; just as we have the right not to like it.

Again, I understand your intentions, but the way you word it, you're almost like forcing them to accept you (and others) as some magical savior. I think a better way to have presented this would've been like:

"Hey if you are having a tough time with your video. Feel free to ask here."

without naming specific videos or already bringing up things that you (and others) feel are wrong with the community. You may want to help, but to bring specific examples and things people shouldn't do before they even ask; is not helping. You're almost forcing your ideals and beliefs on them and they never asked for that.

Now, not to say I don't disagree that there is a lack of "good" videos out there, but at the same time, I choose not to watch them and if someone asks me to take a look at something, I am honest with them. See? They ask and then I answer. It's not the other way around, which stating examples and condemning beforehand, is doing.

So in essence, let people do what they want and if you'd like, keep a thread open where people can ask questions. However, don't go about stating your beliefs beforehand and for some things, I'd suggest private messaging instead of in a public forum.

Oh yeah and don't get me wrong, I think what you are *trying* to do is a good thing, but your methods I disagree with.

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=16673

heh heh... Who needs limitations? Go ahead, make what you like!

[Otohiko]

Well, it's true that LBZ should not be a scapegoat. But, once more on repetitive combos and first-timers:

However - I wonder if a lot of the first-timers who go for that are actually aware of the fact that there are too many vids using this combo? If they're not (and that's a good possibility in a lot of cases), here's two points:

On one hand, this probably means that they do have the best and most genuine intentions, and may well be doing this for the right reason.

On the other hand, this also means that, as Omni was saying about the guides - they may have made a mistake due to a reluctance to research.

So, I don't mind people making stuff with same combinations all over again, but my question is - how many of them are actually doing this consciously and for the right reasons?

[dwchang]

You know, Dwchang, my respect for you is growing higher (even if you *do* know more about RK than anyone should ^_~ ). You're quite eloquent and level-headed when you argue, and I appreciate that - it makes for a very nice debating style.

I think one of the biggest problems with this thread is the manner of attack, and the word-choices being used. The goal and intention are great, but the delivery sucks.

Thank you (even for the RK comment )! I pride myself in *trying* to be level-headed and logical and I'm glad that some appreciate it.

To be honest, I did debate in HS, so I've learned a decent amount on arguing and structuring what one says (although I am not intending to argue here).

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=16673

heh heh... Who needs limitations? Go ahead, make what you like!

Bravo! :applauds:

Yeah, that's more what I was thinking as well and apologize for beating a dead horse (since the thread was opened yesterday). I didn't know you started that yet. Either way...I wish you luck!

[Garylisk]

I LOVE what some of you people are posting here...

I dunno how to take that

[OmniStrata]

I LOVE what some of you people are posting here...

I dunno how to take that

I don't know how to take you seriously with that angry kitty avatar...
But I don't think mine is much better so double :p to you!

[alexd00]

Well, I suppose I fall into the "newbie" category since I'm still working on my first video that I just started about a month ago. I certainly read all the guides that pertained to my creation process and did research to find out if the song/ video had been used before - the song has never been used, the anime (Perfect Blue) has been used ~100 times, but a lot of those are solely dancing clips for rhythm vids and I'm taking a slightly different approach than most of the serious vids (at least, I think I am).

But then, even if it has been done before, should it make that much of a difference to me? This is my first video, and while I think it's turning out pretty good, I still regard it as a demo/ baseline to get an idea of how I'll want to edit in the future. Additionally, this is an idea I've been kicking around for a while and I really started it just as an outlet for my creativity. I'm thinking of uploading a 0.90b version to my personal webspace and advertising it on a smaller board that I visit to get some feedback because I want to know if what I'm doing "works".

But does wanting to show it to other people mean I'm not doing it for myself? I read the guides because I didn't want my video to look crappy, but I would have done that even if I were never going to show it to anybody. If all it takes is a little bit of reading & effort to get my video looking great technically, then why wouldn't I do research on how to make it look the best it can? Then again, I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so maybe I'm in the minority about this.

As for the particular combo I used, would I have still made the video if it had been done before? I'm not too sure about that. I certainly would have tried my damndest to download it to see how it had been done before. If I thought it was really good and accomplished what I would have wanted to accomplish, I probably would not have gone ahead with my idea.

Basically, I guess it all comes down to the balance between doing it for myself/ doing it for others (i.e. fame & fortune ). If someone is truly doing it just for him or herself, then they might not care how good it looks or whether it has a theme. However, one can’t expect to be appreciated (or not flamed ) if you don’t put any effort into making something that appeals to others. It’s certainly the creator’s right to make the videos however they want; however it’s also the viewer’s right to seek their own enjoyment from the video.

Personally, I want my videos to entertain the viewer – that’s part of the enjoyment I get from making videos (or, at least, I hope it will be). Does that mean I’m not making them for myself, or for “the love of AMV creation”? I suppose that depends on how you define those concepts. I think there’s usually a balance struck between doing it for yourself and doing it for others, but as long as you’re happy doing it, why try to categorize your motivations?
Wow, this was really long.