Eva Renewal Box - it's here!

Toecutter · Post by **Toecutter** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 1:46 am

I just started buying the Evangelion series one disc at a time down at the local Suncoast. I figure I'll just stick with the original DVDs, and later down the line, maybe invest in the Renewal set. If you think about it, though, with all the "Revised Special Edition" stuff coming out, like the new two-disc set of T2, the originals will eventually be quite rare, and become collector's items.

It pisses me off, because I bought "T2: The Ultimate Edition" two-disc set about a year and a half ago. Then, just as T3's tv promos are running, another "Ultimate Edition" two-disc set comes out, with yet MORE ADDED FOOTAGE! What's really ridiculous, is we're only talking maybe 15-20 extra minutes of deleted scenes, that won't even be incorporated into the film for viewing. They'll be in the "Special Features" disc, for viewing of the deleted scenes out of context with the film, much like the original ending, or the T-1000's search of John's room is now.

You LOTR people know what I'm talking about. You know they'll be coming out with different "Special Edition" versions of those two movies every year, even after the third film comes out on DVD and VHS. My mother's waiting for them to come out with a three to six disc set of all three films, depending on how much "Special Features" crap they intend to throw in.

Rayek · Post by **Rayek** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:55 am

a little off topic; but on the LOTR subject, New Line Cinema has confirmed that there WONT be any further super-special editions/boxes.
1) They dont got more material to add than whats on the 4disc sets, and
2) They said it would be screwing their fans putting out another special-specail box. So tell your mom to get the extended editions while she can.

ADV could learn form New Line.. on the doing a GOOD job on the discs and the NOT screwing their fans subjects. But on my part, I've had it with them. I'm getting the r2 remastered discs. Hope you rot in a hot place with my money, ADV.

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 2:11 pm

For the record, ADV isn't screwing its customers. Gainax is screwing ADV. The original R2 eva discs also look like crap.

And for the record, I HATE anamorphic sources. They make me basically guess at what the aspect ratio is supposed to be. Even worse are the ones that are anamorphic, but STILL have the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen.

Toecutter wrote:It pisses me off, because I bought "T2: The Ultimate Edition" two-disc set about a year and a half ago. Then, just as T3's tv promos are running, another "Ultimate Edition" two-disc set comes out, with yet MORE ADDED FOOTAGE!

First there was the regular T2 DVD, which I have.
Then there was the "Titanium Edition"
Then there was the "Ultimate Edition"
Now there's the "Extreme Edition"

A year from now, there's going to be yet another edition... just you wait and see!

I also hear that the Alien Legacy is going to be re-done in a hugeass nine-disc set. Maybe then we can finally see the hydroponics garden on the Auriga! And like half an hour of stuff that got cut from Alien 3! And that scene where Ripley hands that grenade to a cocooned Burk! Die, Paul Reiser, die!

I'm going to wait until they do something like that with the Terminator movies. Six discs (eight if they make T4), one box. Mmmm.

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 3:03 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:And for the record, I HATE anamorphic sources. They make me basically guess at what the aspect ratio is supposed to be. Even worse are the ones that are anamorphic, but STILL have the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen.

But anamorphic sources are so much better in detail, and the ones that have black bars on the tops and bottoms still..are the 2.35:1 widescreens, which a lot of action movies use, especially any Jerry Brachimmer (sp?) movie, or the Mad Max movies.

Also how hard is it to determine the aspect ratio? It usually tells yah on the back of the dvd case. Also I think anamorphic sources are so much more flexible to work with, especially if it's a multi anime project.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 3:07 pm

Rayek wrote:I'm getting the r2 remastered discs. Hope you rot in a hot place with my money, ADV.

Um... well if you find a place to get them... please let me know...

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 3:47 pm

... good thing I didn't get the movies yet so I can just save up for the expected release of this! (hopefully before I'm to old to see...) so with my next $2000 I can get my Ranma, Macross, Mospaeda, Southern Cross, Iketeru Futari (OK that's only $100 to import, 1 disc) and this! Wow, again, good thing I didn't get the movies, saves me a cool 30 bucks! woohoo
</sarcasm>

btw is there a place like greencine where you can rent imports online?? that'd be cool

Rayek · Post by **Rayek** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 11:44 am

Zarxrax wrote:Um... well if you find a place to get them... please let me know...

I've sent you a PM.

Anamorphic prints are defenatly to prefer, just look at the new bebop movie. Anyone knows if the episodes on the renewal discs are anamorphic, or just the movies? If so, this is my best wet dream come true ever. And my only one.

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 12:07 pm

Jebadia wrote:But anamorphic sources are so much better in detail,

Not after resizing them to their proper aspect ratios.

Jebadia wrote:and the ones that have black bars on the tops and bottoms still..are the 2.35:1 widescreens,

No, I have some regular widescreens that are like that.

Jebadia wrote:which a lot of action movies use, especially any Jerry Brachimmer (sp?) movie, or the Mad Max movies.

Bruckheimer.

Jebadia wrote:Also how hard is it to determine the aspect ratio? It usually tells yah on the back of the dvd case.

Yes, but do you know how hard it is to restore that aspect ratio by adding black bars? It sucks.

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 1:11 pm

Jebadia wrote:
and the ones that have black bars on the tops and bottoms still..are the 2.35:1 widescreens,

No, I have some regular widescreens that are like that.

Yes there are regular widescreens that do that as well, like Mononoke has about 6-8 pixels worth of black screen on the tops and bottoms, thats just.

Jebadia wrote:
But anamorphic sources are so much better in detail,

Not after resizing them to their proper aspect ratios.

Depends are whre your going with this. Resizing by downsizing the picture, or actually making it it's full 960x480 resolution which is what Anamorphic sources are ment to be? If it is the latter (downsizing), then your right, but say you actually bought yourself a widescreen tv, there you can fully appreciate what anamorphic picture has to offer.

Yes, but do you know how hard it is to restore that aspect ratio by adding black bars? It sucks.

Yes and I still say it's not hard at all. Using Avisynth, if you've cropped out the black and haven't resized before editing (like I usually edit before I adjust the screen size) it is really easy to determine the amount of black space. Or if you want, look up the avs file you used to crop the picture with, take those numbers, subtract them from 720x480, then resize the picture according to you results. For the final avs, take that "crop" command you used and remove the minus symbles and change "crop' to "addborders" thus you get the correct amount of black space.

Think about this, usually when you do a multi anime project, all your video sources will most likely be downsized to what ever source has over all smallest resolution, so everything is in proportion to one another. For instance Evangelion TV and Manga's release of EoE. If I used both of them together in a video, giving that I don't crop out the tops and bottoms of the tv series and the movie, just the sides, the TV series is ruffly 704x480 cropped, were EoE is somewhere around 676x480. So unless I want to up EoE's resolution, which might not look too good even with the Lanczos resize option, I will have to bump the TV source down to something more proportionate with EoE, where I might just letterbox the series to simplify the situation. Doing that I'm just destroying the detail quality more and more.

With anamorphic sources, you can simply adjust the widescreen picture picture to your over all liking, thus why I said its so flexible.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 4:15 pm

OK, just for fun I took a common frame from the original print* of End of Evangelion and compared it with a frame from the renewal version.

Both sources were converted to rgb to aid odd numbers in cropping and to help with getting decent captures in vdub (as there are some YV12 issues).

Original EoE script:

MPEG2Source("K:\THE_END_OF_EVANGELION\VIDEO_TS\omg.d2v")
converttorgb32()
crop(19,67,-23,-68)
lanczosresize(960,480)

Renewal EoE Script:

MPEG2Source("K:\IWIWAL\evaeoe.d2v")
converttorgb32()
crop(6,0,-4,-0)
lanczosresize(960,480)

Now, let's see if you can guess which is which

http://www.absolutedestiny.org/blog/archives/omgeoe.jpg

(*when I say original print I actually mean the original region 2 dvd... although from what I can tell the Manga Video release is very similar especially in its black bars. Cant comment on rainbow artefacts though.)