Eva Renewal Box - it's here!

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:19 pm

I just realized something.

I don't have to wild-ass guess how big to make the black bars that I add to anamorphic sources. I can just resize to 960x480, add 80 pixels of black to the top and bottom, then shrink it to 720x480! Instant de-anamorphicism! Woohoo!

Oh wait... that still doesn't give me the right aspect ratio, because 960x480 is 2:1 (1.8:1 if the pixels are rectangular) and no movies that I know of use a 2:1 or 1.8:1 aspect ratio. In fact, none of them even use the Academy Ratio. They're all 1.85 or 2.35

Motherfuckers, why can't they just pick ONE standard aspect ratio for widescreens and be done with it?

Well, maybe all that resizing will reduce noise/grain.

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:57 pm

life is just cruel that way isn't it?

Rayek · Post by **Rayek** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:20 am

Its true, anamorphic sources are the worst to work with, but when it comes to what they're meant for; being watche, they're smack down best in detail. Unfair example: compare manga's letterboxed End of Eva against Tristar's Bebop movie...

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:49 pm

The Eva movie is a horribly mastered piece of crap example. And I haven't seen the Bebop movie

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 1:14 pm

better example. X/1999 vs Spriggan dvd mastery. Spriggan btw was one of the few titles of seen that contains no black bars...at all.

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 1:27 pm

I haven't seen those either.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 1:39 pm

Let's jump on the logic train real quick.

What is an anamorphic dvd? An anamorphic dvd is a dvd in which a widescreen image is smashed into 720x480 pixels and tagged so that your DVD player either drops every fourth line and adds black borders on playback, or stretches the image out to it's original size if you have a widescreen TV.

Now.
How in the hell does the DVD player know what size to stretch it to? You know, with all these weird aspect ratios going on???
GUESS WHAT
the only two AR flags in existance for DVD are 16:9 or 4:3
LOGICALLY, this tells us that if a movie is anamorphic, it has to be resized to 16:9 to get the correct image, or else it would be distorted on every dvd player in existance. Obviously it's the author's job to encode extra black bars into the video stream for like a 1.85:1 movie. In terms black monarch can understand, that means, if you have an anamorphic movie, all you have to do to get the right AR is resize to 16:9. Pick your favorite 16:9 resolution, 856x480, 720x400, 640x360, and boom, magic, your ticket out of AR hell.
If you want to make amvs with anamorphic sources and get the most awesome quality, just keep the original 720x480 anamorphic footage. Helix producer can encode anamorphic realvideo that resizes to the right AR on playback, meaning you can keep all your detail and it will play at the correct, re-stretched AR. Mpeg 4 has that capability but nobody is doing anything with it right now so you're stuck with RV. mwahahaha

now that you all are enlightened thanks to me, bow down and give me praise

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 3:43 pm

*slaps Tab with penix* Silence you!

Rayek · Post by **Rayek** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 10:38 pm

Yes, silence. Dont try to excite us with interesting inputs when the reason we're talkin in this thread is to silently mourn the fact that we down own the box wich this thread is named after, and sometimes throw mild curses at those who do.

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:27 pm

Tab. wrote:Let's jump on the logic train real quick.

What is an anamorphic dvd? An anamorphic dvd is a dvd in which a widescreen image is smashed into 720x480 pixels and tagged so that your DVD player either drops every fourth line and adds black borders on playback, or stretches the image out to it's original size if you have a widescreen TV.

Now.
How in the hell does the DVD player know what size to stretch it to? You know, with all these weird aspect ratios going on???
GUESS WHAT
the only two AR flags in existance for DVD are 16:9 or 4:3
LOGICALLY, this tells us that if a movie is anamorphic, it has to be resized to 16:9 to get the correct image, or else it would be distorted on every dvd player in existance. Obviously it's the author's job to encode extra black bars into the video stream for like a 1.85:1 movie. In terms black monarch can understand, that means, if you have an anamorphic movie, all you have to do to get the right AR is resize to 16:9. Pick your favorite 16:9 resolution, 856x480, 720x400, 640x360, and boom, magic, your ticket out of AR hell.
If you want to make amvs with anamorphic sources and get the most awesome quality, just keep the original 720x480 anamorphic footage. Helix producer can encode anamorphic realvideo that resizes to the right AR on playback, meaning you can keep all your detail and it will play at the correct, re-stretched AR. Mpeg 4 has that capability but nobody is doing anything with it right now so you're stuck with RV. mwahahaha

now that you all are enlightened thanks to me, bow down and give me praise

If icared, iwould, but since i dont ........STFU!