Microsoft does it AGAIN! another stupid mistake...

[Mr Pilkington]

What makes a Mac more stable on average than a PC is that there is but one company making Macs, while everyone and their brother makes a PC. Stability, however, is no more inherent in the design of a Mac than in a PC. Dell and Apple are at parity with the reliability of their machines. You have some PC manufactures such as Boxx that actually surpasses both, and I know a couple system builders that consistantly build some of the most stable systems I've ever used.

Are too!
Would have also accepted: You must be living in a dream world!

How did I miss this one? So what you are saying is that Joe’s PC, which he made exactly identical to the Alienware of said caliber would run better cuz Joe knows his shit? WRONG If they are stable, good! They used soem pretty nice parts, too bad 90% of Pc issues are software side, thus the topic at hand. Now I will humor this attempt, only because I'm a jerk. Yes there is a major issuee with stability and parts, but you can bog down an ME system with all the Soyo mobos and top of the line geforce cards you want, but the fact remains it will still crash twice a day without rhyme or reason. I personally run 2 PCs, both of which run a partition of 2k pro and XP pro. And I will admit, 2k is relatively well built. Infact if it does crash its because I’m doing something naughty. But the fact remains there is still some room for error. If there weren’t the 2k Defrag system would work 100%. And I wouldn't have to reformat every 3 months or so. Winnows just naturally degrades, Mac OS "System" X does not. A very nice feature I might add. well, I'm getting bored proving my self correct so I will leave for bed on this note:

If you buy from a good OEM or if you really do your homework on parts and know what you're doing you will get a stable system. Apple is but one of the good OEMs, not the be-all-end-all.

OEM is the devil. OEM is wrong! Anyone who buys OEM products deserves the PC pounding of a life time. Most people are unaware of this but true OEM components must be sold with another piece of hardware. That is why pricewatch can set the price of their Mobo combos so low. And hwy when you order an OEM OS you get that little dimm of EDO RAM. And FYI: Mac may not run on that handy x86 technology, but it has those nice little AGP and PCI (PCI-X on G5) cards, so most pieces of hardware do have available at least 3rd party, if not full Mac support. So much for you paranoid "Mac Sux" theory.

[alternatefutures]

Besides, you seem to think that Windows is the only choice for PC. There is a much broader range of OS's that can be installed on PCs than Macs, which, to my knowledge is limited to the OS it came with.

Yes, as you deduced by me never mentioning any OS, I obviously think Windows is the only choice for a PC! I've never heard of Linux in its many flavors from Red Hat to Mandrake to Lindows. BeOS? Nope, never heard of it! LALALALALALALALALALA! Of course though, I like to be able to use the hardware I have and run the bulk of my programs in a non-emulated environment, so Windows may as well be.

You sir, seem to be under the mistaken impression that you can't install Windows or Linux or BeOS on a Mac. Not true! All can be run on the Mac with a little know how, the question is of course, why would you want to?

To Mr. Pilkington: The room full of Macs I crashed were comprised mostly of the Quicksilver variety of G4s running OS 9, along with a couple G3s. I've had limited experiance with OS X (forgive me if I can't recall the version, either 10.1 or 10.2, somewhere in that area) and, it being a stock computer straight from Apple with no hardware or additional software (asside from Final Cut Pro), you would think using the basic text editor wouldn't cause the thing to spontaneously shut down, but lo and behold it did! For my experiance with AppleII's, they did a lot more than the computer I had at the time, so my current attitude twoards Apple certainly isn't negatively influenced by the good 'ol days. I wish your team well with its G5s and I hope you guys find your sense of style quickly so you can ditch the giant cheese grater.

[alternatefutures]

So what you are saying is that Joe’s PC, which he made exactly identical to the Alienware of said caliber would run better cuz Joe knows his shit? WRONG If they are stable, good! They used soem pretty nice parts, too bad 90% of Pc issues are software side, thus the topic at hand.

First, good luck trying to build a system EXACTLY like Alienware's. It's entirely possible, perhaps even likely, to find a MoBo that is better than what Alienware uses (if you can even buy the MoBo alienware uses). It is entirely possible to find RAM better than what Alienware uses, and you can find a better harddrive than what Alienware uses too. All this and I GARUNTEE you it will be cheaper. Buy retail, don't overclock, and you get similar warrenty coverage. Considering I never said that if you built the EXACT same system it would be more stable, I don't know where you got the conclusion you reached. Speaking of stability, most of the unstable systems I've come across suffer from the same problems: generic memory (or ME, either one). Slap in some Crucial or Corsair stuff and they run great. Are there bad OSes out there? Yes. But the stability difference between XP and OS X are small when run on hardware of similar quality.

OEM is the devil. OEM is wrong! Anyone who buys OEM products deserves the PC pounding of a life time.

Well, since I take it you bought a Mac... ::Gives Pilkington the PC pounding of a life time::

OEM refers to major system builders, those who take on the sole responsibility of maintaining their customers machines. Compaq is an OEM, Dell is an OEM, Apple is an OEM. When you buy products marked as "OEM" you are buying products which are expected to be used in a system built by an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer). OEM labeled products are cheaper than their Retail counterparts because they have spartan packaging, are generally sold in bulk, and also have their warrenties whittled down. That does not mean these are rejects off the factory floor, they are of the same quality as the retail version, only with far less support. For the rejects look for the "Generic" label.

So much for you paranoid "Mac Sux" theory.

When did I say Macs suck? I called Apple one of the good OEMs. Sounds like you're the one who's paranoid here.

[alternatefutures]

Forgive me Mr. Pilkington, for responding yet again, but since you don't read my post before you post I find it fair that I don't either.

If you have to reformat your harddrive every few months that sounds like a hardware problem to me. That doesn't even happen on my 98SE machine, which only was only reformatted once in its four year life span. I had a 95 machine that was going even longer on its original install (well, original upgrade) before the harddrive gave out. Several 2K systems I work on have been going happily for over two years without so much as a neccesary shutdown. Doesn't sound like a 2K problem at all.

If you're buying OEM software and you need hardware, several companies just sell you a screw. The place that's giving you the EDO RAM isn't being very cost conscious.

And what exactly do AGP, PCI/-X ports on a Mac have to do with anything here. Did anyone say you couldn't put a video or PCI card in them? And yipee for PCI-X on the G5. They've been available on PCs well before the G5 was announced (although few things use them). PCI Express will be the upgrade of interest and should come out with the first chipset designed for Prescott (I think, it is Intel's baby after all).

I do have a serious question for you. Do the Nvidia and ATI cards Apple allows you to include have the ADC port on them?

[El Banana]

But I do not know anything about macs so....

you wouldn't know an apple machine from a Powermac Dual G5.

Somehow i doubt that. But if they were g4's w/ OSx, then you sir are either god or a liar

You know what? Now I'm intrigued....

I'll have to check, but for now, after browsing the apple website, the machine looked like

this,
The desktop looked pretty much like

this,
and had two really nice monitors like

so.

This is from memory, but if no other machine looks similar, then I'd have to say it was a g4.

[danielwang]

The problem? MICROSOFT not including Build 3718 in the allowed builds list.

Maybe if you used released versions, instead of release candidate software, they'd support it.

I use the Windows .NET Gundam Hacker Edition, which has a modifed SETUPREG.HIV, not to mention other files... they're based off of Longhorn files and edited.

If anyone wants to make their Windows .NET Gundam install start generating Longhorn serial number, I can post the SETUPREG.HIV and PIDGEN.DLL.. that's screw up the CracktivationTM process though.

[danielwang]

The problem? MICROSOFT not including Build 3718 in the allowed builds list.

Maybe if you used released versions, instead of release candidate software, they'd support it.

I use the Windows .NET Gundam Hacker Edition, which has a modifed SETUPREG.HIV, not to mention other files... they're based off of Longhorn files and edited.

If anyone wants to make their Windows .NET Gundam install start generating Longhorn serial number, I can post the SETUPREG.HIV and PIDGEN.DLL.. that's screw up the CracktivationTM process though.

Oh, I forgot. You MUST also patch your Winlogon.exe

If you do not patch your WINLOGON.EXE, it says something like:
Becuase software/information about Windows activation is missing, we must reactivate your copy of windows.

If this happens, boot into Safe Mode (bypasses) and update... or go into Safe Mode every time.

[BrahRizor]

http://www.deanliou.com/WinRG/

Here this sums up windows and why it sux....USE LINUX

[)v(ajin Koji]

DOS RULES!!!

"Bad command or file name"

ah good times!

[alternatefutures]

USE LINUX

"However you say it it's getting great press
Though how it survives is anyone's guess
If you ask me it's a great big mess
For elitest, nerdy schmucks
'It's free!' they say if you can get it to run
The geeks say 'Hey! That's half the fun!'
Yeah? Well I have a girlfriend and things to get done.
The Linux OS sucks!"

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