The good ol' days

[downwithpants]

The same could be said about any animated medium: video games, anime in general, American cartoons -- perhaps before each industry grew in popularity, the programmers, writers, and animators created their works in order to tell a fascinating story. They did not care so much for money because they knew their audience was going to be small. As these industries expanded in popularity and revenue, the programmers, writers, and animators faced more pressure to create more lucrative works rather than works that they wanted to make. Soon, they were only making ostentatious and rushed works that appealed to the general public or to a target demographic rather than making works that they created from their own imagination. Of course there are some who break away from the norm and still create want they want to create, but media conglomerates won't produce their works.

AMVs differ in that they are not sold for money. But perhaps the currency of the AMV world is popularity. The difference here is that in the world of video games, anime, and cartoons, the big names are pressured by media conglomerates to produce lucrative works, while small names are freer to produce their 'indie' (if you will) works. In contrast, in the AMV world, it is the newbies (not all) who feel the pressure to get their name known by making gimmicky attention-grabbing videos and the oldies who, knowing they have a loyal fan base, will produce the works they want to make.

Anyways, there are older videos that I like, and newer videos that I like.

[trythil]

...I just do what I feel like doing.

[Nemoxs]

...I just do what I feel like doing.

You're gonna be on the 6am news with a sniper rifle and a bottle of whine aint ya?

[trythil]

...I just do what I feel like doing.

You're gonna be on the 6am news with a sniper rifle and a bottle of whine aint ya?

Yes, and I'm going to hunt down people who don't know how to spell.

[Cole]

When I first joined the org, I read around the forums and noticed all the attention brought on AMV's to have plot, a thought out story . . . "meaning", if you will, etc. I started to get the impression that in order to make good videos, they had to tell a story or mean something, and I began wondering what kind of great story I could try to come up with for a new AMV. Now I'm like "ppphhhh", what was I thinking, it's friggin anime for crying out loud, not world literature. Trying to tell a story can make for a better video, but I don't think it's absolutely necessary to have a humongous amount of substance in order for your vid to be a good one to watch. I can't really say anything about recent videos, I'm a noob myself and haven't downloaded much lately, being as my internet has been about as reliable as Bill Clinton's fidelity to his wife, But I think Jon was commenting on two things in his first post, the lack of good editing and the lack of storytelling. I think you need at least some semblance of a plot, but as long as you've chosen and edited your footage and audio well, I can't see why having a "story" or "meaning" is essential for a great video. I agree using high-end software and cool filters aren't a substitute for good editing either. It's true that the software available to use nowadays, even the free stuff like I use, probably gets alot more of us interested in this hobby than we would have been in the "old days".

But it's entertainment, after all, and we all have our likes and dislikes. Euphoria is a great video, but I like videos like the animix projects andthis one just as much; after all, we're enjoying ourselves here, and while one guy comes out with a kick-ass condensation of a series or a retrospective look at the character of a show, that doesn't mean some other guy can't come along with a kick-ass video that's nothing but straight-up mindless action, or a simple showcase of scenes from his favorite show. That's my .02 cents.

[Nemoxs]

...I just do what I feel like doing.

You're gonna be on the 6am news with a sniper rifle and a bottle of whine aint ya?

Yes, and I'm going to hunt down people who don't know how to spell.

Oh shit, I'm the first to go I suppose.. well just dont hurt the face man.

[MistyCaldwell]

Two VCR method?

My older videos were made with a professional linear set up.

That includes 2 decks (vcr or beta like I used) a shuttle bus (that is your controller for both decks) a time base corrector to line up the tapes to the edit point, and a patch bay that hooks up your monitor and decks.

You had two main types of edit styles, assemble and Insert edit. To assemblel, you would set your in-point on the master and record tape, and you could preview to make sure you had a correct edit...or you could believe in yourself and do the edit without checking. Your master happened real time

To insert edit, you would do the same as above but make sure you set an out-point and it would end at the right part...as long as it didn't choke and screw up with the time base correction.

That is the real reason you used to have to put 15 seconds of black ahead of your original start point. The corrector has to go back anywhere from 3 to 15 seconds and rewinds the tape before the edit point. If you have a break in your black track, you are really screwed and have to redo your black altogether.

To lay audio, you would do much the same as the two vcr method, using only your audio channels and you would often lay the audio and black together. That would prevent bad things like black breaks....because if there is one in the middle and you have editied your video up to that point...you pretty much have a problem on your hands. It can be fixed but since I am talking a dinosaur language as it is....I'll spare you the details.

[Chaos Angel]

Two VCR method?

My older videos were made with a professional linear set up.

That includes 2 decks (vcr or beta like I used) a shuttle bus (that is your controller for both decks) a time base corrector to line up the tapes to the edit point, and a patch bay that hooks up your monitor and decks.

You had two main types of edit styles, assemble and Insert edit. To assemblel, you would set your in-point on the master and record tape, and you could preview to make sure you had a correct edit...or you could believe in yourself and do the edit without checking. Your master happened real time

To insert edit, you would do the same as above but make sure you set an out-point and it would end at the right part...as long as it didn't choke and screw up with the time base correction.

That is the real reason you used to have to put 15 seconds of black ahead of your original start point. The corrector has to go back anywhere from 3 to 15 seconds and rewinds the tape before the edit point. If you have a break in your black track, you are really screwed and have to redo your black altogether.

To lay audio, you would do much the same as the two vcr method, using only your audio channels and you would often lay the audio and black together. That would prevent bad things like black breaks....because if there is one in the middle and you have editied your video up to that point...you pretty much have a problem on your hands. It can be fixed but since I am talking a dinosaur language as it is....I'll spare you the details.

Yeah... reminds me why I'm glad to be away from that film production class.

I'm probably just spoiled by digital editting, but I could not stand hand editting. Course, I never got to use the big fancy machines or anything, just razor blades and splicing tape, but still, I hated it.

Apparently they use FinalCut in that class now, so I get teh shaft.

::clears throat:: Sorry to sidetrack, continue the discussion.

[CaTaClYsM]

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... 22&start=0

[Nemoxs]

I did about 34 videos with the two Vcr/dvd player method... and now that I've had adobe for a while... i don't miss it at all.