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[Jebadia]

...we..either than or the whole point of this discussion has lost it's meaning....

[Jebadia]

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man I need to sleep...

[|Charles_Xavier|]

Thank you all.

I remember when I use to say Japanamation. Therefore I well know where the term anime originates from. It’s derived from the more politically correct term Japanese Anime. But the meanings of words here in the west do change. Today such factors as the Animatrix with American directors, and X-Men Evolution which has more Japanese and Korean names than American, confuse the line. I just saw “Kill Bill” which has what I consider anime in it. If fact if it weren’t mostly live action, I’d swear that the whole movie was anime. Despite the fact that it was directed by QUENTIN TARANTINO.

I agree with Arigatomyna, that Phade should make an official definition for us to use if only for this site. This may be a difficult task for him, as he may chose to forbid his favorite videos. Still he should do this. Even if he has to make exceptions for videos already uploaded.

Even if my videos are excluded I would feel better, because I don’t want to be yelled at by members every time I upload a video. For now I’ll just make them unavailable, or use direct download.

Looks at Phade with big anime eyes

[darkflux]

This is a bit long, but heregoes:

Anime means japanimation or in other words japanese animation. So by that definition american cartoons are not anime, if that's what you're trying to say...

I'm still waiting for the dictionary where you found that...

http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/a/a0311250.html

Moreover, it depends on the country, and this site is international...so...

Do you live in Japan? "When in Rome...[speak Roman]"

In the US and Europe (at least France), Anime might mean japanese animation because of the pronunciation (the "e" is pronounced "é" so it sounds japanese)...

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html
(Search "Japanese keyword in Romaji" for anime and note the 3 symbols:
a, ni, & me [e makes the ay sound in Japanese)

And as it has already been said, in Japan I think "anime" is ok for any kind of animated stuff

"While anime varies in quality according to both production techniques and artistic merit, the level of sophistication is, in general, far superior to it's counterpart outside Japan, the 'cartoon'."
http://web.cs.mun.ca/~anime/afs/animdict.html

Oh, wait, what about Animatrix ???

http://www.intothematrix.com/rl_cmp/dvd ... _info.html
note the directors' names...

My opinion is still that US cartoons should be (and in fact, ARE) allowed on the donut. And all other thing that is not live action.

The full Golden Donut storage server is now available. This means you may upload the following:

Anime music videos
Anime-styled game cut scene videos (like Final Fantasy)

You may NOT upload the following:

AMVs with excessive violence and/or sexual nudity
Game-play music videos (you recorded yourself playing a video game)
Live action/home videos
Anime episodes/movies or other TV shows/movies
Porn/hentai
Warez/Crackz/Serialz
Anything else that is not on the "you may upload" list

American or other cartoons than anime are not listed on the "you may upload" list.


To summarize:
Anime is a Japanese word (アニメ [a-ni-me]) and is the shortened version of the Japanese word "animeshiyon", which in turn is a "borrowed" word from our English "animation" (since the Japanese with their language cannot spell the English version of this word), so they use it to mean animation of any kind. But here in the states, the definitions are all "Japanese animation", or "Japanimation" for short.

anywayz, in the end it's Phade's decision, so there's no use arguing about it

Hope this helps!
(Note:Japanimation is NOT an actual word, but a word established by American Otaku as a "cool" way of saying "Japanese animation".)
For some really kooky definitions though, you can go here:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... panimation

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"People with open mouths tend to have closed minds"

[WilLoW :--)]

This is a bit long, but heregoes:

Anime means japanimation or in other words japanese animation. So by that definition american cartoons are not anime, if that's what you're trying to say...

I'm still waiting for the dictionary where you found that...

http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/a/a0311250.html

A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex.

GREAT definition ! The best Ever.
Totoro is not Anime, it contains no futuristic settings, no violence, no sex
The grave of the fireflies is not Anime, it contains no colorful art, no futuristic settings, no sex.

In the US and Europe (at least France), Anime might mean japanese animation because of the pronunciation (the "e" is pronounced "é" so it sounds japanese)...

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html
(Search "Japanese keyword in Romaji" for anime and note the 3 symbols:
a, ni, & me [e makes the ay sound in Japanese)

Yeah...and what to do you want to prove here ? That's what I said, so what ? In Japan, they say Anime also for cartoons...but in western countries we use that only for japanese animation because it sounds japanese (oh, ok, you'd prefer if I say it IS japanese, but we happen to have this word in French ("dessins animés") too... so what ?) that's what I wanted to say...

Oh, wait, what about Animatrix ???

http://www.intothematrix.com/rl_cmp/dvd ... _info.html
note the directors' names...

Final Flight of the Osiris : written By Andy & Larry Wachowski, Director : Andy Jones
Second Renaissance I and 2, Kid's story : written by the Wachowski Bros
All these guys are of course Japanese, as we all know.

Matriculated : Peter Chung (DNA, Seoul) (but I heard that koreanimation was considered as Japanimation)

Ok, it's far fetched, but that's what I meant.

To summarize:
Anime is a Japanese word (アニメ [a-ni-me]) and is the shortened version of the Japanese word "animeshiyon", which in turn is a "borrowed" word from our English "animation" (since the Japanese with their language cannot spell the English version of this word), so they use it to mean animation of any kind. But here in the states, the definitions are all "Japanese animation", or "Japanimation" for short.

Oh WAIT ! We're not in the United States !!!! We're on the internet, never forget that. As far as I know, this is not animemusicvideos.com or .edu or .gov... it's .org.
In France, the definition is a bit different (I do not refer to any dictionnary, just about what I've seen and heard in my otaku life)
Cartoon means old American Cartoons (looney tunes, bugs bunny and stuff)
Anime means every other animated stuff (except 3D movies)...yes, even Disney's movies

Just to say again that the definition varies from one country to another, so why should it be obvious that we have to use the american one ? (Oh, typical French reaction, sorry... and yes, again it's a bit far fetched)

Apart for these points, I can do nothing but agree with what you said.
I don't really care in fact, but in my opinion the difference between American Animation and Japanese Animation is so small that both should be allowed...
(What about an AMV that uses 10% of american stuff...would you ban it or not ? )

[Savia]

A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex.

GREAT definition ! The best Ever.
Totoro is not Anime, it contains no futuristic settings, no violence, no sex
The grave of the fireflies is not Anime, it contains no colorful art, no futuristic settings, no sex.

It says 'characterised', not 'defined'. Just felt that this was important. Oh, and the Oxford English Dictionary version isn't that far off- see this thread, but be aware that the thread is old and hence any posts made therein would be necroposts.

[WilLoW :--)]

A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex.

GREAT definition ! The best Ever.
Totoro is not Anime, it contains no futuristic settings, no violence, no sex
The grave of the fireflies is not Anime, it contains no colorful art, no futuristic settings, no sex.

It says 'characterised', not 'defined'. Just felt that this was important. Oh, and the Oxford English Dictionary version isn't that far off- see this thread, but be aware that the thread is old and hence any posts made therein would be necroposts.

Ok, then
Yet I don't really think this definition really fits, and I think most people here would agree with that...
What is the nuance between characterized and defined ? (I know both words, it's not a language problem here, more me who can't make the difference...well if there are two words, they surely have different meanings...)

[Savia]

A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex.

GREAT definition ! The best Ever.
Totoro is not Anime, it contains no futuristic settings, no violence, no sex
The grave of the fireflies is not Anime, it contains no colorful art, no futuristic settings, no sex.

It says 'characterised', not 'defined'. Just felt that this was important. Oh, and the Oxford English Dictionary version isn't that far off- see this thread, but be aware that the thread is old and hence any posts made therein would be necroposts.

Ok, then
Yet I don't really think this definition really fits, and I think most people here would agree with that...
What is the nuance between characterized and defined ? (I know both words, it's not a language problem here, more me who can't make the difference...well if there are two words, they surely have different meanings...)

Oh, sorry.

Characterise (verb): 1. Describe the distinctive nature or features of: she characterised the period as a decade of revolution.
2. (of a feature or quality) be typical or characteristic of: the disease is characterised by the weakening of the immune system.

Define (verb): 1. State or describe exactly the nature, scope or meaning of: the contract will seek to define the client's obligations.
2... irrelevant to context.

Basically, characterise is just a little less certain. I hope that helps ^_^;;

[darkflux]

Oh WAIT ! We're not in the United States !!!! We're on the internet, never forget that.

SORRY... i keep forgetting this site is multi-national. especially when all the text on the site is in English

Oh, and that "Animatrix" link was meant to say that the Directors weren't all of Asian descent, but that some were. The DVD itself was a compilation of (in my opinion) anime and non-anime presentations.

dessins animés: animated drawing

so then, do the French have a word that means "Japanese animation"? just curious.

Thanx for the backup Savia, but i hope my interfering ways don't turn this into an arguement (just a discussion)

[Kusoyaro]

What about Road to Iron Chef?