Hatter vs. Tab: The Codec Grudge Match [SPLIT]

Onideus_Mad_Hatter · Post by **Onideus_Mad_Hatter** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:42 am

Tab. wrote:Ogm is a dying breed. Use mpeg 4 or matroska.

*snicker* Yeah, OGM is a dying breed, SURE it is. *rolls eyes*
I read it on teh iNt3rN.t so it's must be tr0o!!1!eleven!!1!

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Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:49 am

...
right.
Hi, I support a format that's nothing but a directshow hack allowing video and other streams in the container that xiph created for storing vorbis in. I have a future. I plan ahead.

Think. Directshow-based ogg hack. No.
No.

Onideus_Mad_Hatter · Post by **Onideus_Mad_Hatter** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:09 am

Tab. wrote:...
right.
Hi, I support a format that's nothing but a directshow hack allowing video and other streams in the container that xiph created for storing vorbis in. I have a future. I plan ahead.

Think. Directshow-based ogg hack. No.
No.

ROTFL...oh the irony. Come on Tab, yer the one whose always touting the glorious benefits of XVid, and last I checked, that was an open source "hack" of the MPEG-4 codec. Hypocrisy isn't just a fun word to say slowly and feel your lips jiggle.

And ultimately, it doesn't even matter if it's technically superior or not, what matters is that nearly all binary media content currently in distribution that supports multiple audio/video/subtitle tracks is being done with OGM. Morgan Stream Switcher has a small corner of the arena and everything else is just idle banter and experimentation that nobody has found fit to start using yet. And why would they? I mean it's like when minidiscs came out, sure they were better in theory, but fuck everyone had just went and bought a CD player. And sure enough, now we have CD players that play MP3s. It's not always so much about what's better at the current second as it is about practicality and general trends in the community.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:16 am

Matt, I forgot that you learn by dropping in and acting like a dumbass until someone tells you what's what in some angsty fit of rage. So, you're right. I have absolutely no intelligent reason for believing that ogm is worthless. I just read it on the internet. I'm really a dvd player. Bleep bloop.

DivX 3.11 was the hack, I won't even ask where you got the idea that that was XviD. Unless it was from that alt.desktop.l363t6video30captuermpg2ll you used to go on about.

Onideus_Mad_Hatter · Post by **Onideus_Mad_Hatter** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:33 am

Tab. wrote:Matt, I forgot that you learn by dropping in and acting like a dumbass until someone tells you what's what in some angsty fit of rage.

Actually in this instance I'm quite right.

So, you're right. I have absolutely no intelligent reason for believing that ogm is worthless. I just read it on the internet. I'm really a dvd player. Bleep bloop.

Whether it's worthless or not is entirely subjective, what matters is that it's mainstream. I mean it's like yEnc, some would say it's one of the worst pieces of garbage to ever be concieved, flying in the face of standards and yadda yadda, blah, blah, blah...but the hard fact is that yEnc is being used in nearly every multi-part binary froup in existence. Same with OGM, I have around 8 terabytes worth of archived media, a lot of it is anime and whether you wanna talk about Cat Girl Nuku Nuku, or Tenchi Universe, the encodes I have that support multiple tracks are ALL using OGM. It *IS* the current standard, whether you or anyone else thinks it's "sloppy", doesn't really matter fuck all.

DivX 3.11 was the hack, I won't even ask where you got the idea that that was XviD. Unless it was from that alt.desktop.l363t6video30captuermpg2ll you used to go on about.

You don't seem to have a very good grasp on just what "hacking" means, Cupcake. DivX3.11 was never a "hack", unless you're going to start trying to claim that being able to operate a hex editor is "hacking" *snicker*

XVid is a hacked codec, meaning that it's open source and people are continually modifying and enhancing the original code to make it do things that it wasn't really designed to do in the first place. I mean if you could travel back in time and tell the MPEG group what the future held for MPEG-4 they'd probably think you were smokin funny crack.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:58 am

Oh shit Matt, you've got me there.
What was I thinking.
I must have forgotten how you get all your know-how from pirating off of amateur subbing groups.

Still waiting for .itys.

Onideus_Mad_Hatter · Post by **Onideus_Mad_Hatter** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:20 am

Tab. wrote:Oh shit Matt, you've got me there.
What was I thinking.
I must have forgotten how you get all your know-how from pirating off of amateur subbing groups.

Still waiting for .itys.

Amateur subbing groups? *snicker* Have you seen the footage used in my latest AMV? How exactly would you describe that as amateurish? Shit, Doom9 last I checked was still toutin the glorious benefits of freakin XVid while the rest of the Inet moved on and started encoding everything in SVCD format, maybe slightly bigger in size, but the portability issue and being able to play on pretty much any DVD player simply blows any MPEG-4 wet dream out of the water.

LOL Tab hangs out with a group of nothings on some ass end of the Inet called "Doom9" where all they do all day long is whine and bitch about how they think they have everything figured out and know EXACTLY the BEST way of doing EVERYTHING...meanwhile however the rest of the Inet carries on, doesn't really give a rats ass about ANYTHING they say and continues to produce. What does Doom9 produce? You know besides lil non contributors like Tab. who go around trying to claim they're God of everything video. *rolls eyes*

Maybe when you release an AMV or two, maybe then people will start to take you seriously Tab., but as of yet, I haven't seen anything out of you that you haven't just slurped off and parroted from the old biddies on Doom9.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:28 am

Ok Matt.

So, do you want me to go into why you're wrong? Or just pretend to accept your point of view as though it holds some weight? Or start blindly arguing so you can throw a hissy fit, like you always do?

Which one Matt?

Onideus_Mad_Hatter · Post by **Onideus_Mad_Hatter** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:37 am

Tab. wrote:Ok Matt.

So, do you want me to go into why you're wrong?

The only way you can prove me wrong is if you can prove that all the major binary encoding groups are using something other than OGM. But hey, I'll make it REAL easy on you Tab., just name ONE major binary encoding group (which is actually encoding and releasing goods) that's using something other than OGM. Heck I'll give you brownie points if you can even name one that's using MSS.

Or just pretend to accept your point of view as though it holds some weight?

Well the bottom line is that I produce, you don't, that's all the weight anybody really needs to guage our two opinions...well Doom9's opinion anyway, it's not like anything you spout is actually coming from research you did.

Or start blindly arguing so you can throw a hissy fit, like you always do?

Which one Matt?

Well so far the argument is pretty one sided, unless like I said, you can prove that the major binary encoding groups out there are using something other than OGM for their stuff that needs multiple audio/video tracks.

Ya see Tab. basically what you're doing is trying to argue that Beta is superior to VHS, and heck it sure is, nobody is saying otherwise. But ya see the thing of it is Tab, no one is using Beta, everyone is using VHS, hence it's the standard. Hence if you want to do an AMV and you want multiple audio/video/subtitle tracks it'd be pretty freakin stupid to do it with anything other than the current standard which is set by all those mystical encoding groups out there who are ACTUALLY PRODUCING RESULTS.

Rozard · Post by **Rozard** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:20 pm

Not this again