STAR Rating captivity

[Animal4890]

Today I surfed to the AnimeMusicVideo.org website and found that I am forced to rate certain AMVs or else I can't download any more AMVs on the local drive. This renders the original Star Rating idea useless, because here is my solution to my inability to download currently and rate AMVs in my own time:

I will give the AMVs a star rating based on my mood and not from actually seeing and critiquing the AMV. Hence, it'll probably range from 1 - 3 and will be completely inaccurate, but atleast I'll be able to download more AMVs.

[Jnzk]

I have to disagree. I'm all for the download limit. Suppose you downloaded for example 50 videos and then began to rate them? Would you really be able to remember the first ones and give them a fair rating? I don't think so...

And giving stars based only on your current mood without even watching the videos is stupid and hurts the whole rating system.

[Phade]

Hey,

The star rating system will very soon be used in the "suggestion query". The suggestion query compares your scores to everyone else's scores and comes up with a list of videos that you have not watched that will most likely appeal to you based on the scores you have given. But, junk in = junk out for that individual. Your loss on more easily finding videos you might like. A few people being dumb about the rating system does little to affect the system as a whole. A video with 100+ scores is not really affected by a few inaccurate scores that much. Plus, there is the "ignore" list for those people who just put the same score for everything anyways and that should help get rid of the few that don't take it seriously.

I hope this helps. Good luck and have fun!! ^_^

Phade.

[jbone]

Personally, I strongly dislike compulsory rating systems. I don't like numeric rating systems at al, and I'm stubborn enough that, if forced to either rate something compulsorily or lose my download privileges, I'd sooner choose the latter.

[dwchang]

Plus, there is the "ignore" list for those people who just put the same score for everything anyways and that should help get rid of the few that don't take it seriously.

Wow! I should've remembered this since I was the one who complained to you about this earlier . There was a person in the forums who gives all 2's and a lot of people got angry. I should've remembered this and then realized it was a moot point to debate it .

Either way, I really like how you have the star-ratings thing on the front page now. It kind of made me feel guilty about them and gave me a bit more motivation to do it. I also notice that I've gotten a lot more stars in the last few hours because of it .

[Animal4890]

what a lovely feeling i get when my honest opinion gets tromped on by the owner...

[Farlo]

you could jsut spend the 4 seconds it takes to drop the star, right after you watch the video, thats what i do. plus you give a more honest rating rather than acting childishly and randomly filling in a number.

[Phade]

Hey,

what a lovely feeling i get when my honest opinion gets tromped on by the owner...

I'm not sure what you mean here. Star ratings given by individual members are unknown to the video creator. The video creator just gets the average of all the non-ignored scores. That's it.

You might be confusing the "star" rating with a full blown "opinion" where you leave comments for the video creator to read. Those opinions are still and will remain fully optional.

Phade.

[Kai Stromler]

Today I surfed to the AnimeMusicVideo.org website and found that I am forced to rate certain AMVs or else I can't download any more AMVs on the local drive. This renders the original Star Rating idea useless, because here is my solution to my inability to download currently and rate AMVs in my own time:

I will give the AMVs a star rating based on my mood and not from actually seeing and critiquing the AMV. Hence, it'll probably range from 1 - 3 and will be completely inaccurate, but atleast I'll be able to download more AMVs.

You know, you can change star ratings after you give them. They're not set in stone. If you're worried about losing download ability, just toss whatever you download a 3 (average score) after the download completes, then go back and change it to something accurate once you've watched the video.This is what I do when I'm not able to watch videos on the same box I download them to.

Since most videos will rate a 3 anyways (assuming normal distribution), you'll only have to change the ones that came out memorably above or below that, and those videos ought to move you to do so anyway.

[Phade: I think that Animal was just expressing his/her depression at your posting in favor of the download limit. "owner" ~= 'owner' of the .org, not of the video rated.]

--K

[Animal4890]

You know, you can change star ratings after you give them. They're not set in stone. If you're worried about losing download ability, just toss whatever you download a 3 (average score) after the download completes, then go back and change it to something accurate once you've watched the video.This is what I do when I'm not able to watch videos on the same box I download them to.

Since most videos will rate a 3 anyways (assuming normal distribution), you'll only have to change the ones that came out memorably above or below that, and those videos ought to move you to do so anyway.

[Phade: I think that Animal was just expressing his/her depression at your posting in favor of the download limit. "owner" ~= 'owner' of the .org, not of the video rated.]

--K

yes, I know I'm able to change my star rating after I give it, although It's a pain to go sift through the numerous number of dls just to adjust a rating.

The reason why I started this thread was that I usually attempt to remain as sincere as I can with my rating/reviews. Many times, I have to watch AMV a few times before I can consider my rating to be accurate or the AMV I downloaded had spoilers to an anime I'm just about to finish and I have to finish the anime first. Due to these obstacles I prefer not to rate an AMV until I'm prepared to rate it, because if I give it a temporary rating then it's harder to find later and remember which I gave a temp rating to and which were official ratings.

Also, you were correct about my response to Phade's first reply.


I just came up with an idea on how the Star ratings might be adjusted to help the people who give the ratings. I think that a dynamic rating is in and of itself inaccurate and it also could present misleading results. This is because as time goes by and someone sees more AMVs they are more likely to change ratings to AMVs they saw previously. I think the rating one gives to an AMV after seeing it three or four times within the first few weeks of obtaining it is more accurate than a rating you give it four of five months later. Also, if the ratings are locked in eventually then the rating system will be based on a more consistent rating ideal. To solve both problems why not do this:

1. when giving a star rating to an AMV you may choose to make it a temporary rating or final rating.
2. temporary and final ratings are marked so they are easy to spot in one's list. (perhaps by use of a checkbox)
3. final ratings cannot be changed.

A temporary rating is the rating you give an AMV usually after you see it once. After you've seen if a couple more times then you can give your final rating.
It might even be beneficial to put the percentage of how many of the ratings given to an AMV to makeup its star rating average are final.