Best CPU

[bum]

mmmmmmmm, it would be nice if ms actualy managed to fucking tell someone about it

[dwchang]

Well, considering it's 64bit and the P4s are still only 32bit.....

but the athlon 64 is running on 32 bit becouse programs cant use the 64 bit capabilitys so at 32bit its still much better then the p4

Well sort of...Bum mentioned a 2.2 Athlon 64 beating a 3.2 Ghz. P4...that's probably the 32 bit code that it's beating it in...which furthers my point in the "Speed != Performance" thread. A lowly 2.2 Ghz . Imagine how it'd do with 64-bits...oh wait you'd have to buy an Itanium for 64 from intel so it wouldn't be able to even perform .

But yeah NDW is also correct in that programs are being compiled for 64-bit and hell, OSes are already out (not just Linux).

[Zabador]

just to let u know, there is an ebay.ca where all prices are in canadian dollars and you can filter out all items not being sold in canada or even out of province.

found this very useful since i live in canada aswell. Bought me a new monitor

[sukotsuto]

hey, im thinking of building a new pc, and i need ur suggestions.
which of the processors is better? P4 or AMD Athlon

I need suggestion in the following

Best for AMV (adobe premire)
Games

this pc is mostly for media purposes.

Well personally I think the "top of the line" in each camp has similar performance.

As to what works better in what you want to use:
I think the p4 has a slight edge in encoding videos, but when you are editing an intel and an AMD would probably feel the same.

For games your best bet would be an Athlon 64 FX if you can afford it. That will best any P4 system (well that paper launched P4EE may stay with it).



Do you like multitasking? Go dual processors (or a quad opteron if cash is no worry ). I have a dual athlon and it is great when I am editing and doing various other tasks. Now it would probably be best to go with opterons though.

Don't forget fast disk drives to transfer those big video files around!



I really need to upgrade my computer (more ram, faster drives..etc)
A few of those new 80gb wd raptors would be great.
Two mp2800+ processors would be nice too.

[dwchang]

Well personally I think the "top of the line" in each camp has similar performance.

As to what works better in what you want to use:
I think the p4 has a slight edge in encoding videos, but when you are editing an intel and an AMD would probably feel the same.

For games your best bet would be an Athlon 64 FX if you can afford it. That will best any P4 system (well that paper launched P4EE may stay with it).

Do you like multitasking? Go dual processors (or a quad opteron if cash is no worry ). I have a dual athlon and it is great when I am editing and doing various other tasks. Now it would probably be best to go with opterons though.

Actually although a similar costing P4 and Athlon will perform similarly, you're incorrect in that "top of the line" for both will perform similarly. As you already noted, a quad-Opteron will maul a dual xeon or anything comprable in price. Hell, even Phade bought a dual Opteron for the .org . I know what you mean though, but I figured I'd point that out since "top of the line" is a misleading word and I think you just meant "comprable." Like I demonstrated, a "top of the line" can be really expensive and significantly different in performance.

Now to be realistic with price, I still say a "top of the line" Athlon 64 FX will pwn an *available* Intel solution. The benchmarks already provide sufficient evidence of this and it seems to win in nearly all things...gaming, encoding, etc.

Then again I'm obviously biased working at AMD, but again, the sites and benchmarks are there . Too bad benchmarks can never be 100% accurate either.

[sukotsuto]

Actually although a similar costing P4 and Athlon will perform similarly, you're incorrect in that "top of the line" for both will perform similarly.

Obviously from your comments I should have been more clear. Yet, what I ment by "top of the line" was in reference to desktop processors that each company sells. Specifically the P4EE and Athlon 64 FX 51. The first text block in my post was a response to him and the second was a further suggestion of how to be more productive by getting a dual processor system.

As you already noted, a quad-Opteron will maul a dual xeon or anything comprable in price. Hell, even Phade bought a dual Opteron for the .org . I know what you mean though, but I figured I'd point that out since "top of the line" is a misleading word and I think you just meant "comprable." Like I demonstrated, a "top of the line" can be really expensive and significantly different in performance.

Yes, when we talk of multiple processors the benchmarks that I have seen of Opterons take the xeon to lunch big time. I know that the Opterons can scale much better.

Now to be realistic with price, I still say a "top of the line" Athlon 64 FX will pwn an *available* Intel solution. The benchmarks already provide sufficient evidence of this and it seems to win in nearly all things...gaming, encoding, etc.

Then again I'm obviously biased working at AMD, but again, the sites and benchmarks are there . Too bad benchmarks can never be 100% accurate either.

I agree that price/performance ratio goes to AMD.
The 64 FX51 is around $700 whereas the P4EE is around $1000. I cannot see why someone would go with the intel chip with that price difference (well maybe an intel zealot). Not to mention in most instances the Athlon 64 FX51 beats it anyways.




I am also an AMD fan (sure I don't work there, but I do own some of their stock).
The last intel computer; well actually the first windows computer that I had was an intel p166mmx. After that all of my computers have had AMD processors in them.
I do think that AMD is the best option. I just would rather not sound totally bias.

[CaTaClYsM]

The A64 FX was the first chip to break the 30K marker on 3DMark2001. I'd say that's a decent amount of power.

[Kenshin8518]

Well, from what everyone was saying about P4 vs AMD, i would have to go with AMD

when i first built this computer, i was gonna use P4, but now i'm a full-fledged AMD person..... I built this computer, and have never had any problems to date, all good stuff....

btw: here is what i am using, and the prices I got for each:
Windows XP Professional: $150
Motherboard: Via KT4 Ultra (KT 400) $100
Processor: AMD Althlon XP 2500+ (1.84 Ghz) Came with Motherboard
Video Card: NVidia GeForce FX 5200 (128MB DDR) $71.95
RAM: 1 GB pc2100 DDR (a 1 gig strip) $100
Audio: I didn't buy an audio card yet, and am using the onboard audio
CD RW: Sony Bezel (52x max) $61
DVD RW: Lite-on DVD+RW LDW-401S (i think 16x max) $117
Hard Drive: Maxtor 6Y120PO (120 GB w/8MB cache) $104.98
USB: Ali PCI to USB (has 5 usb slots on it) $16.85

oh, and my case was $40, can't remember who made it (no name on the case itself)... basically i recommend Nvidia video cards, AMD processors, and any of the companies you see here... i use these companies a lot when building computers...