Off Topic Section Removed

bum · Post by **bum** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:17 pm

first its the ot section, then the site section gets removed because people just say the same thing, people stop watching anime so that eventualy gets removed, and now most people here are video geeks, so thierl be no need to ask any questions because everyone knows everything, so their goes that section, music never looks good so that might as well go too, then they realise that all thoughs other forums we're related to amv's and seeing as their allready removed they just go and remove the amv section because theirs no use any more. what in hell is this world coming to ?

J-0080 · Post by **J-0080** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:44 pm

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:56 pm

MCWagner wrote:One thing that has become abundantly clear through OT and WOT was that a single member can become a nuiscence completely out of proportion to their membership. Opening multiple accounts, pretending to be someone else, necroposting twenty topics, spamming, reposting modded posts, releasing "bots" into the forum to repeatedly repost deleted topics.

You are describing Hatter. If he chooses to post in GA or GM with the same BS that caused the OT sections to be removed, are they next? If starts to post in GAMV, will those sections be removed also? If you are removing sections to spite one form of poster, where does the "hacking off limbs" resolution conclude with?

MCWagner wrote: Here's a little test. Did you necropost? Flame? Open multiple accounts? Pretend to be someone else (or similar disruptive stunt)? Sneak back in after being banned? Attempt to get a rise out of the mods? Insult Phade because you were bored? Throw a temper tantrum? No? Then you're probably not the one being talked about.

No I didn't...had this been said from the very beginning instead of the vague "OT has become a clique which must be perged" post from Phade, perhaps people wouldn't have taken it so personally.

MCWagner wrote: If GA and GM become as useless and abused as OT was, I'm betting that the whole forum will just come down. No point in keeping it then, much less having people actively moderate it.

I guess that answers my earlier question...all I can do is cross my fingers and hope it doesn't happen I suppose.

MCWagner wrote: Well, I for one got disgusted with the constant stream of crap, and left, no longer wanting to be associated with somewhere that encouraged that. If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Posting convention announcements was pretty much my sole input to the board. I suppose I'll leave it up to you to determine if I was "useful" or not.

If one section of the forums was not to your liking, it seems to have a simple solution to me...don't visit it. You make it sound as if someone pointed a gun to your head and made you read the posts of all the "useless" members of OT. Like people have said earlier, OT posters have freedom of choice to visit other forums instead of a-m-v.org, likewise people that hated that section of the forums had freedom of choice never to dive into that section did they not? We are arguing in circles at this point now, so I guess we can agree to disagree. Last thing I wanna do is dig myself a hole come AWA judging.

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mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:59 pm

sixstop wrote:
MJ wrote:Annoying individuals can post on any number of different sections of the forums, saying OT was the sole reason for their presence and behavior doesn't seem fair to me.
while I agree that posting in OT doesn't inherantly make one annoying(except for me, i'm always annoying), should we also discount the fact that many of those who were producing annoying dead weight content have dissappeared after nearly a week?

Likewise, many of the people I enjoyed reading have disappeared as well, which I find sad. I actually liked some of the humor generated from the OT forums, if that labels me as an advocate of "uselessness", so be it.

madmallard · Post by **madmallard** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:07 pm

masochistic, maybe.

Nestorath69 · Post by **Nestorath69** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 6:08 pm

Hey, I'm a nobody. The fact is, I've been a member for over a year, and I haven't been able to post a vid, even though I've made a number of them. Hey, it's not my fault, except being a victim of circumstance and being dirt-poor.
I've been accused of posting alot in all the forums, and I do. I have opinions and suggestions that my ego won't allow me to keep to myself.
I see both sides of the issue, banning GOT and WOT vs allowing them vs. banning other forum areas.

I'm not the kind of guy to advocate or support any kind of dramatic action: I have a few strong ideals, but in the end, I'm just a hippie. Why were the forums removed? people were abusing them. What happens when Something that is extended as a courtesy, and then abused? It is removed. What happens then? Easy. people complain. Some are genuine, others are shallow.

But the fact is, everyone who posted in those threads and in those forums is guilty. Either guilty of commiting the acts for which they got banned for, or by sitting by the side and not taking the initiative to curb the rampant violation of something that we, frankly, took for granted.

I acknowledge my own complacency with this matter, I too am guilty. Someone told me once, before you point fingers, you have to point it at yourself.

I'm done, now. I gotta study for my certifications- peace.

SSJVegita0609 · Post by **SSJVegita0609** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 6:29 pm

MCWagner wrote:Vegita, you're not paying attention, and making assumptions all over the place. When Hatter was posting in GA was he flaming, necroposting, spamming, or otherwise making a nuiscence of himself? No? Then it wasn't adversely affecting the forum. Yes?

Actually, he was being a general nuisance, insulting other people's work and comparing his own to that of a godsent artist. You may be able to find the topic, but it was made almost a year ago if I recall correctly.

MCWagner wrote:Then the forum DID become less interesting for having to wade through all of his crap to find the good posts. Hatter isn't any kind of Typhoid Mary or Tourett's patient, he can actually behave. He just chooses not to. Does it adversely affect the BOARD? Yes, yes it does. Evidence? Well, I for one got disgusted with the constant stream of crap, and left, no longer wanting to be associated with somewhere that encouraged that. If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Posting convention announcements was pretty much my sole input to the board. I suppose I'll leave it up to you to determine if I was "useful" or not.

So you left the boards because GOT but are coming back now? But I haven't seen any differance at all in the rest of the forum, so I don't really understand the logic behind that. The thing you should've done was simply stop posting in GOT and continue posting in the other forums.

MCWagner wrote: (Your example is another matter. I agree that the person was being an asshole and thus wasn't being "useful", actually detrimental, to the board. He shoulda been smacked down. Similarly, you have to agree that a lot of flaming was going on in OT and WOT. Similarly useless, and detrimental. So it should be squashed, right?

No, it should be managed, not shut down. I saw no warning stickys (something that probably could've prevented this entire situation), heard of very few people being banned when they should be, and saw a general improvement in the amount of shit down there. So why do this now? Why didn't Phade do this durring the Sppamda rampage? Or durring the peak days of the Leesburg crews antics (most of which have left). I just don't see how OT was any worse now then it used to be.

MCWagner wrote: You seem to be convinced that "popular" editors get a pass on stuff like this. I agree this is wrong. Did you drop a note in the mod box about it? Oh, and that's a contradiction, not a paradox.)

I'm not convinced about anything in terms of the "popular" editors, I'm not making generalizations like that. I know many editors who are very popular and are extremely nice to n00bs, and I know many who aren't. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the situation in announcements. All I want to point out about that forum is that the mods tend to ignore it completely, whereas they should at least take a look in there without us having to point any mishaps we see out to them.

(btw, yeah, it was 3:45 last night when I posted that, paradox was the only word I could think of at the time, thanks for the correction.)

And for the record, I've never necroposted, flamed, been banned, used multiple accounts (except for when I was contemplating changing my handle), or insulted phade or the mods.

Just because I'm protesting the descision to close OT doesn't mean that I have lost any respect for Phade and/or the mods. I have a massive amount of respect for both entities and think that this site is one of the greatest things ever to happen to the internet. I hold no anger towards Phade, and anyone accusing him of being selfish is being an absolute prick. Simple as that. But that doesn't mean we can't voice our disagreement with him on certain subjects. I know it's his site and ultimately his descion, but I still feel like giving him my input.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:48 pm

What Phade did = Cut off the nose to spite the face.

[MOD467: I hardly think Phade did this just to piss off people.]

madmallard · Post by **madmallard** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 8:47 pm

I'm inclined to agree. THere are many more subtle(and blatant) ways to go about it and have a deeper more localised impact.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 8:50 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:What Phade did = Cut off the nose to spite the face.

[MOD467: I hardly think Phade did this just to piss off people.]

Who said anything about pissing people off?