bittorrent

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:53 am

Many newcomers tend to complain about the 2 weeks waiting period.

While I was discussing this with one of them, he made a suggestion that I found was quite useful, so I give it here, do what you want with it.

His suggestion was to have a bittorent tracker AND server here at the org.

In fact he wanted that instead of the Golden Donut, which I think would be a bad idea for the following reason :
some people don't know how to use bittorrent...

However, it would be a good idea to have a bittorrent tracker working this way :
the "org" server is a constant seeder (which means that a torrent always has at least this one seeder, this is the way it works on ddruk.com, for those who play stepmania)
As it is bittorrent, people who download also upload, therefore helping reducing the bandwidth cost for the server (amv that are downloaded a lot would be easily distributed this way).

Well I don't know if this idea could be easily implemented but it sounds good to me.

ALSO, if the idea above is not accepted, having a bittorrent tracker (which would have to be moderated I guess), without having a constant server, only a tracker, could be a good thing for huge video projects such as Animix, NES, DDR, etc...because we would have an official "Anime music videos" tracker for videos that can't go on the donut (and therefore this would maybe allow the re-seed of DDR1 and 2, etc...)

I think that setting up a tracker is not too difficult but I've never done that (and I know I can't because I don't have my own server...).

comments ?

XenoDrake · Post by **XenoDrake** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:09 pm

Two comments.

1) This could be easer done with just Indrect linking to an already setup and working bittorrent site. this way....

2) ...The org its self avoids any possable leagel reprecutuions involving the new wave file shairing method. As im sure some spinless beurocrat(sp?) is going to try and do something about it.

The org has hosting, and nothing personal willow, but why try and find a way to "get around" the two week wait? We should be thankful we have hosting at all. Insted of incuraging people to find ways to get around it, incurage them to donate. $1 Does it, just think if ever person that signed up today donated $1, we would have alomst a $50-$75 a day donation status. We sould be working to help the site grow, not undermine it.

~XenoDrake

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:18 pm

The problem with this is it relies on more than 1 person to download a file at the same time. Unless a video is really popular, this isnt going to happen a lot. Also amvs are typically pretty small in filesize... so people would be downloading them for what... 5 minutes? Even if they decide to keep seeding for twice the time it took them to download, its likely they will help much. Sure there are people on 56k and such that only download t like 3kb/sec... but they would contribute basically nothing to the others with their weak uploads. So the server would basically be footing 95% of the total bandwidth, making the idea totally pointless.

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:23 pm

Well I'd say my suggestion is still valid for huge projects : having a tracker here would be nice
(pointing to other torrent servers has shown its limits several times)

Other than that, I agree that the donut's server would be the main seeder for most of the time, but for the most downloaded amvs it would still be helpful I think...

ErMaC · Post by **ErMaC** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:26 pm

For large projects a majority of the people running those projects have plans for doing this on their own. Quu has a plan for an official DDR torrent tracker site.
And besides, most of these huge projects can't be on the donut anyway cause they'd be more than 100MB. The shorter ones maybe, but then you run into the thing again of not needing a torrent cause they're so small.

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:31 pm

ErMaC wrote:For large projects a majority of the people running those projects have plans for doing this on their own. Quu has a plan for an official DDR torrent tracker site.
And besides, most of these huge projects can't be on the donut anyway cause they'd be more than 100MB. The shorter ones maybe, but then you run into the thing again of not needing a torrent cause they're so small.

Well ok I wasn't clear enough...
I wanted to say that if the idea of having a bittorrent server was rejected, at least having a bittorrent tracker would be nice.

And No, I think most people who lead such projects don't have plans on how to release these huge videos. For example : Animix1+2+3 and the DDR3 : there are lots of people who weren't able to get them because the trackers went down in one week...which wouldn't happen if we had a "secure" amv tracker, and not trackers that we find on the internet and that can be down a few days later...

I wasn't suggesting to host these huge files on the donut, sorry if it wasn't clear enough

Org Profile · Post by **Phade** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:26 pm

Hey,

Among other things, I'm working on a "preview" option to have newbies be able to download certain videos during the two week probation period. How it will work is by having the video creator donate a certain amount per video so that their videos can be available to any new member during the probation period. Check this thread for more details.

As for bittorrent, I've tried to use bittorrent, but I have had little success. Each time I try it out it take FOREVER to connect and then I get really slow transfer rates (~5Kb/s). Perhaps it works better for other people, but I haven't been impressed with it yet.

As for large projects, I'm working on a "AMV project" tool that will allow project participants to mark their entry for a multi-track, multi-creator AMV projects. That will make it so that someone who is interested in, say, the latests DDR project to find all parts to the project easily. The system will be similar to the current "collaborator" system. Details later on...

Phade.

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:40 pm

...you probally didn't leave it open long enough. BT first downloads a piece of the file from the host server that it can share with everyone else. That piece is typically slow to download. After that you connect to other people and share the file with them. I've had transfers typically around 70KB/s downstream and as much as 120KB/s

Anyways, Willow... I think the reason they went down was due to the fact that no one else was sharing the full file any longer ecsentially making the torrent "dead". I shared Animix 1,2,3 for a while but eventually I stopped so I could do other things with my connection. Most people simply shut bittorrent after they successfully received the file.

Org Profile · Post by **Phade** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:07 pm

Hey,

Corran Productions' point is exactly why the Donut exists. I was getting a 322KB/s connection from it just a few mins ago... 8)

Phade.

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:32 am

Corran Productions wrote: Anyways, Willow... I think the reason they went down was due to the fact that no one else was sharing the full file any longer ecsentially making the torrent "dead". I shared Animix 1,2,3 for a while but eventually I stopped so I could do other things with my connection. Most people simply shut bittorrent after they successfully received the file.

I agree with the fact that people stop sharing after some time. but for Animix123 and DDR3, the real reason was that the tracker had been removed by the website (uktorrents) owing to problems with the law (people sharing pron or copyrighted movies, video games and stuff)

Therefore, one of the "problems" remains : when someone looks for one of the DDR projects, or for the "full" animix, it's really difficult for him/her to get it...That's what I was trying to solve. When someone asks me for Animix, I'd be happy to seed the torrent again, but the trackers have so many problems that I'd have to re-make the torrent file and find a new tracker each time

So...well, maybe someone knows where I can find a reliable website with a good tracker, for the next Animix ?