Amtv?

trigunvash · Post by **trigunvash** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:15 pm

If you want to get your pants sued off, yes you'll need the creator's permission, plus the permission of the song artist, label, anime labels etc etc. rebroadcasting rights the list goes on.

Technically everything here is copyright infringment its just a matter that they haven't been enforcing anything yet or caught.

Pie Row Maniac · Post by **Pie Row Maniac** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:30 pm

AtomX wrote:Well, maybe I'm missing something, but why is having a server providing an online stream of AMVs any more likely to get sued than a site that provides direct downloads for thousands of said AMVs? o_O

Oh shit!

*runs*

*trips*

*runs again*

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:43 pm

AtomX wrote:Well, maybe I'm missing something, but why is having a server providing an online stream of AMVs any more likely to get sued than a site that provides direct downloads for thousands of said AMVs? o_O

From a standpoint of content, it's not.

However, streaming multimedia has been a FAR larger blip on corporate radar -- for reference, look up the whole CARP + RIAA + US streaming radio debacle of just a year or so ago. I think it's reasonable to say that a station streaming audiovisual works that infringe on all sorts of copyrights would come under fire faster than this site would.

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:38 pm

trythil wrote:
AtomX wrote:Well, maybe I'm missing something, but why is having a server providing an online stream of AMVs any more likely to get sued than a site that provides direct downloads for thousands of said AMVs? o_O
From a standpoint of content, it's not.

However, streaming multimedia has been a FAR larger blip on corporate radar -- for reference, look up the whole CARP + RIAA + US streaming radio debacle of just a year or so ago. I think it's reasonable to say that a station streaming audiovisual works that infringe on all sorts of copyrights would come under fire faster than this site would.

Exactly.

And besides,
there are diffrent laws.

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 8:48 pm

http://www.amv.x24hr.com/
i remember reading the announcement for this website on the forums a few months ago, but i can't find it on the search for some reason. anyways, the stream is down on the website, but there is a contact link, so you can ask them how they did it, what difficulties they had, etc.

Brad · Post by **Brad** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:48 pm

I'm aware that the RIAA and other such groups have been coming down on Internet Radio hardcore as of late (well, reaching it's pinnacle sometime last year when they started enforcing the laws and requiring internet radio stations to send them statistics including what songs were played and how many people were listening, and then forcing broadcasters to pay fees for every song played. Alot of web radio stations had to go down, despite efforts from SaveInternetRadio.org [which seems to have been taken down]).

However! I don't exactly see the logic in coming down on a site for streaming live music/video which is much harder to save to your hard drive, and is normally served at a much lower quality, and due to it being a live stream, you really don't have much choice as to what you see/hear, and then not coming down on a site that offers the same content in full-quality downloadable form that you can pick and choose from, from a huge free database.

If that makes any sense.

Not disputing that thats what they'd do, just saying it seems quite frivolous and unprofitable.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 11:14 pm

AtomX wrote: Not disputing that thats what they'd do, just saying it seems quite frivolous and unprofitable.

Suing your customers is quite frivolous and unprofitable, but they did it anyway.

Lobbying for insanely tight restrictions on small Internet radio stations is quite frivolous and unprofitable, but they did it anyway.

Bringing lawsuits against schoolgirls and grandmothers is quite frivolous, unprofitable, and basically JUST FUCKING RETARDED, but they did it anyway.

Tracking down unauthorized uses of RIAA-pwn3d music is an RIAA lawyer's sexual surrogate. I'm very confident that the only reason why the .org is still doing what it's doing is because They haven't placed us on the Rape Radar.

godix · Post by **godix** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 11:49 pm

For whoever is planning on actually doing this, please ignore legal advise on the internet and go talk to a real lawyer. A bunch of guys on the net aren't going to be able to evaluate legal issues nearly as well as a real lawyer can.

That being said, I'll throw out my non-expert opinion along with everyone else. Anime companies won't touch you. It'd be hard for them to prove that AMVs are not fair use, they're clearly a derivative of the original work rather than an attempt to rip off anime creators. AMVs are also non-profit, generally give full credit to their sources, and most importantly do not distribute the entire (or even majority) of a show. The community, especially here on the org, does its best to enforce those rules which helps show that unlike Napster we can police our activities to limit blatent copyright violations. Besides, quite a few of the anime companies not only condone AMVs, they actively encourage it by donating prizes and the like to AMV contests.

The RIAA probably won't do anything either. The RIAA is fighting people who are trying to get cds for free. People don't make and distribute AMVs to get around purchasing something, we do it because we enjoy this particular form of derivative work. Fair use would be a legitimate defense, although it's not as easy to show as with anime itself because we generally don't cut up and remix the song. The RIAA seems to be treading more carefully after the plublicity black eye suing grandmothers and pre-teens gave them and suing someone who isn't obviously just trying to steal CDs would give them another black eye. We aren't who they're targetting and we could give them bad plublicity, I doubt the RIAA would care about us even if they ever noticed.

I personally wouldn't hesitate to do this if I had the interest or bandwidth. If I was concerned about it I'd talk to a real lawyer long before I took the advise of what some guy said on the internet.

Dynamic Bandwith · Post by **Dynamic Bandwith** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:20 pm

cz

godix wrote:For whoever is ... on the internet.

I totally agree with him. Before you read take actions after what I´ve told you, go see a lawyer first. But besides the lawyer issue I have something I wanna share with the world:

I browsed through the forum, looking for a way to set up a streaming video station...
I wanted to make an AMV station, because I felt like the world needed one...
I mean, dudes, we´ve got MTV and so on, but those ***nuggets just won´t broadcast AMV´s now will they? *gah*

Time for us to do it ourselves right?

Now about the getting sued and rotting away in jail part (because you´re just another poor kid, who hasn´t got the money to pay the ten-thousand dollar fine

):

I MAY HAVE FOUND A SOLLUTION!!!!!

Fansubs are legal right??
Then only broadcast AMV´s that use animes that are either fansubbed already and still unlicensed, or fansubs still being fansubbed

Thus they point of illegal footage has been eliminated.

Ah! I hear you thinking: what about the audio???
Well, the awnswer is easy. Only broadcast videos, of which you own the CD´s (like bought them

). If you have a legal copy, in my eyes,you are allowed to broadcast it. At least if you do the following:
First of all, declare that you set up that station for home use: f.e. when your on your work, you like to watch the videos on your computer. And that the station was set up for that purpose.

Now for handeling the other viewers:
make sure that people can only connect to the sation via a link on a website. On that website place somthing like this: that you only broadcast stuff, which you own the components off, and that people, by clicking on the link (and thus start watching) a: aggree their rights to sue you goodbye and b: truthfully declare that they will not try to exploit any material via a stream ripper, or will try to store the video and rip the audio from it in any way.

If you want to be really specific, place a list of the cd´s that you own and fully declare that you have those cd´s and thath anywhone who does not own them legally is not allowed to view the content on your station under any circomestance!

However, this is my reasonable judging and stupid-(trying to surpass the points they can sue your a$$ on)-assed ideas... It´s good enough for me, so I´m still gonna trie and set up a station (will do a test broadcasting my webcam first though) and I think i will see a lawyer to confirm my ideas, but I think I will get things up and running

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:34 pm

The legal problem behind this of course is.

Just because you have the legal case that you can fansub something does NOT mean you have a right to broadcast it.

They're not the same rights.

And as for the music, thats just way off

because you own the cd, if you look even at the bottom of cd's it says "is for private use of yourself, do not copy, etc".

Good idea's all, I'm still trying to find a way to do this legally.

Amtv?

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