who do you hate most?

Blitzkrieg1701 · Post by **Blitzkrieg1701** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:22 pm

Just to keep things in persepctive (and off topic, sorry), just what percentage of anime MALES are overtly unatractive?

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:56 pm

Blitzkrieg1701 wrote:Just to keep things in persepctive (and off topic, sorry), just what percentage of anime MALES are overtly unatractive?

Watch Gundam Wing. Every military character (almost - except a few of the younger officers) is old, ugly, and has an unappealing voice, while female 'minor characters' stay as pretty as the main characters. They are minor characters, and you aren't meant to like them. Yu Yu Hakusho - every character in the audience of the dark tournament (except the fangirls) was an ugly male 'thing' - no attempt made because they were supposed to be unattractive - the 'fangirls' are there for prettiness, so minor or not, they look the part. Rurouni Kenshin - government officials again portrayed as old and/or ugly males - but note that none of the minor female characters are anything but pretty.

Most anime I've seen (aside from shoujo anime where it's all about how pretty the girls are so even the guys/monsters tend to be just as pretty) have nice looking main characters, pretty minor female characters, and butt ugly minor male characters. Why? If they care enough to make sure the guys like those minor girls, they should do the same with the minor guys. But so far I haven't seen many that do that (though the 'minor good guys' in YYH tend to look nice, so there are exceptions).

demented · Post by **demented** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:20 pm

Otohiko wrote:As for criticism of the 'OMG ANIME CHARACTERS NOT REALISTIC' - bah. You do realize it's not reality. I don't want to watch... real people. I want to be entertained/engaged. The characters have done a good job of that so far.

But the realistic element is what makes anime so unique from western animation. In anime, people bleed, they get hurt, and can even die. Its so different from the western animation cliches, that anime actually has cliche's of their own; such as there's rarely a truely evil bad man, just a guy who was once really good but has suffered such horrible trauma earlier in his life, that he has deemed the world to be the true evil and must cleanse the badness by wiping out the entire population of the planet, its either that or he's just really selfish, but NOT evil. Another anime cliche is the tragic hero, where the more likable character dies and the bumbling sidekick witnesses the whole thing and takes the event to heart. Other cliches are old perverts, distustingly cute pets, distustingly cute kids, and the apparently strong female lead who ends up being weak and defenseless in the end.

But like you, Otohiko, I wouldn't want anime to be too real, but I wouldn't want it to be over-the-top as well. Whenever I feel like watching something over-the-top, I watch WWE or other pro-wrestling programs. It's like soap-opera for men, 'rope-opera' if you want to put it that way.

foxfire14 · Post by **foxfire14** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:55 pm

hmm lets see I dislike Ayeka (TM)

Mihoshi (TM) ...... ALL of the characters from GW except Duo and

Hikaru from Rayearth ..... Sailor Moon ..... 'nuf said
ALL characters from Hamtaro
(blast the hamsterness!!!)

Kuwabara from YU YU Hakusho(and Boton)
Nanami from Wanderers
Takakura from Magic Users Club

Ein from Cowboy Bebop

Yu-gi-oh from Yu-gi-oh
Anna from Shaman King
Goku from DBZ (and Bulma)
Luffy from One Peice

Gateu from Sorcerer Hunters

umm.... I think thats all but remember I don't hate them I dislike them very much!!!!

8)

Tsunami Jones · Post by **Tsunami Jones** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:59 pm

foxfire14 wrote: hmm lets see I dislike Ayeka (TM)
Mihoshi (TM) ...... ALL of the characters from GW except Duo and
Hikaru from Rayearth ..... Sailor Moon ..... 'nuf said
ALL characters from Hamtaro
(blast the hamsterness!!!)
Kuwabara from YU YU Hakusho(and Boton)
Nanami from Wanderers
Takakura from Magic Users Club
Ein from Cowboy Bebop
Yu-gi-oh from Yu-gi-oh
Anna from Shaman King
Goku from DBZ (and Bulma)
Luffy from One Peice
Gateu from Sorcerer Hunters

umm.... I think thats all but remember I don't hate them I dislike them very much!!!! 8)

wow. that's alot of characters . . .

foxfire14 · Post by **foxfire14** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:05 pm

some things easily get on my nerves.....
I'm not a mean person ..... really....

Tsunami Jones · Post by **Tsunami Jones** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:08 pm

foxfire14 wrote:some things easily get on my nerves.....
I'm not a mean person ..... really....

I see. Mind if I ask what you don't like about Ein?

foxfire14 · Post by **foxfire14** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:24 pm

he's smarter than me and he's only a dog..........

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:28 pm

demented wrote:But the realistic element is what makes anime so unique from western animation. In anime, people bleed, they get hurt, and can even die. Its so different from the western animation cliches, that anime actually has cliche's of their own; such as there's rarely a truely evil bad man, just a guy who was once really good but has suffered such horrible trauma earlier in his life, that he has deemed the world to be the true evil and must cleanse the badness by wiping out the entire population of the planet, its either that or he's just really selfish, but NOT evil. Another anime cliche is the tragic hero, where the more likable character dies and the bumbling sidekick witnesses the whole thing and takes the event to heart. Other cliches are old perverts, distustingly cute pets, distustingly cute kids, and the apparently strong female lead who ends up being weak and defenseless in the end.

Actually, excellent points, can't argue with that. In that case, I probably looked at that argument in the wrong way before...

I'll admit straight up a lot of stuff in anime is cliche by now. Either that, or plays based off cliches. Personally, I don't mind it. But it's there, true.

I think there's enough exceptions or good plays on the cliches to keep me busy when I want something serious; and same-old will do when I'm looking for some basic entertainment. Which, in most cases, is what I see anime as in the first place.

Mika Rieu · Post by **Mika Rieu** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:03 am

Arigatomyna wrote:
Blitzkrieg1701 wrote:Just to keep things in persepctive (and off topic, sorry), just what percentage of anime MALES are overtly unatractive?
Watch Gundam Wing. Every military character (almost - except a few of the younger officers) is old, ugly, and has an unappealing voice, while female 'minor characters' stay as pretty as the main characters. They are minor characters, and you aren't meant to like them. Yu Yu Hakusho - every character in the audience of the dark tournament (except the fangirls) was an ugly male 'thing' - no attempt made because they were supposed to be unattractive - the 'fangirls' are there for prettiness, so minor or not, they look the part. Rurouni Kenshin - government officials again portrayed as old and/or ugly males - but note that none of the minor female characters are anything but pretty.

Most anime I've seen (aside from shoujo anime where it's all about how pretty the girls are so even the guys/monsters tend to be just as pretty) have nice looking main characters, pretty minor female characters, and butt ugly minor male characters. Why? If they care enough to make sure the guys like those minor girls, they should do the same with the minor guys. But so far I haven't seen many that do that (though the 'minor good guys' in YYH tend to look nice, so there are exceptions).

this is sooo true... I'm not all gung ho on pretty boys but i want to see an anime that is nothing but ugly ppl that would be funny!!

oh not to get off topic but can anyone explain to me the whole 'perfect blue' story? I got completly lost on it (PM me if you want)