Hiei or Vegeta

Bebop0083 · Post by **Bebop0083** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:21 pm

Karou_ken wrote:Hiei

we heard you you can stop now unless you have some thing to add besides just "Hiei"

Cloud Clone · Post by **Cloud Clone** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:23 pm

Karou_ken wrote:Hiei

*sigh*

Yeah, Karou...we know....

Just playin'!

Karou_ken · Post by **Karou_ken** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:23 pm

Bebop0083 wrote:
Karou_ken wrote:Hiei
we heard you you can stop now unless you have some thing to add besides just "Hiei"

um.....no Im done -__-

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:25 pm

Bebop0083 wrote:poor Vegeta only a few glory moments. Zarbon like you mentioned and Android 19. so maybe we can go with your Son not there theory and he may just have a tiny bit of chance. maybe if he was in SSJ4 mode or some thing unless Hiei's Majin form could stand up to that?

No one except Togashi knows the limits of Hiei's majin form - think of it like imagining ssj4 Vegeta turned majin strong. Unknown, but definitely cool.

In the movie, Hiei does some crap he *never* does in the anime - not even when he's S class at the end of the series. The fact that he used his multiple jagans to call multiple dragons - and then turned around and used it again in the mutli-attack (after only being asleep for 30 minutes at most - however long it took Kurama and Kuwabara to climb the tower) shows he has some hidden strength he never uses. And even when he's doing some crazy stuff with those multiple dragons - he didn't use them on himself. We know using one dragon on himself increases his strength a huge margin. Imagine if he used 6 of them (I only counted six in the movie - but there could have been more mixing in there). There's no telling what he could do with that.

Then again, chances are he'd burn himself out if he were to use that much power (summoning the dragons to attack someone else) and then turned around and tried to absorb them into himself) - there's probably a reason he didn't do it in the anime. Then again, Hiei tends to risk burning himself out a lot, so he just might go for it in a tough fight. I know Kurama has to stop him at least twice from using up all his youki (the movie, and during the tournament after he burnt his arm). If Hiei were cornered and angry enough, I bet he would use that multi-dragon-majin power on himself. But there's no telling how strong he'd be - or for how long it would last before he passed out or died from it.

Karou_ken · Post by **Karou_ken** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:26 pm

Cloud Clone · Post by **Cloud Clone** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:27 pm

Karou_ken wrote:
Bebop0083 wrote:
Karou_ken wrote:Hiei
we heard you you can stop now unless you have some thing to add besides just "Hiei"

um.....no Im done -__-

Aw, Bebop, come on! Lighten up! I think you hurt her feelings...

Bebop0083 · Post by **Bebop0083** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:32 pm

Cloud Clone wrote:
Karou_ken wrote:
Bebop0083 wrote:
Karou_ken wrote:Hiei
we heard you you can stop now unless you have some thing to add besides just "Hiei"

um.....no Im done -__-
Aw, Bebop, come on! Lighten up! I think you hurt her feelings...

if you have nothing to contribute to the topic besides one word why post?? thats just spam even though i want Hiei to win as well.

Ari,

I believe in the Sensui saga Yusuke died so his friends can find their hidden power. I havent seen it but from what ive read. So Hiei could have some more tricks up his sleeve to topple Vegeta's SSJ4 stage especialy Hiei went Majin again after the Mikai arc. ive only seen Hiei go Majin twice. the first time he fought Yusuke and the second movie. i wish he went Majin a few more times like Kurama unless he really goes out of control and cant handle it like Kurama can his form.

Karou_ken · Post by **Karou_ken** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:39 pm

Bebop0083 wrote:
Cloud Clone wrote:
Karou_ken wrote:
Bebop0083 wrote:
Karou_ken wrote:Hiei
we heard you you can stop now unless you have some thing to add besides just "Hiei"

um.....no Im done -__-
Aw, Bebop, come on! Lighten up! I think you hurt her feelings...
if you have nothing to contribute to the topic besides one word why post?? thats just spam even though i want Hiei to win as well.

Ari,

I believe in the Sensui saga Yusuke died so his friends can find their hidden power. I havent seen it but from what ive read. So Hiei could have some more tricks up his sleeve to topple Vegeta's SSJ4 stage especialy Hiei went Majin again after the Mikai arc. ive only seen Hiei go Majin twice. the first time he fought Yusuke and the second movie. i wish he went Majin a few more times like Kurama unless he really goes out of control and cant handle it like Kurama can his form.

feelimgs arent hurt. I actually agree with Bebop.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:47 pm

Bebop0083 wrote:I believe in the Sensui saga Yusuke died so his friends can find their hidden power. I havent seen it but from what ive read.

He doesn't reveal any new powers when that happens, though - just that he cares about Yusuke. As much as I love that they all went for revenge like that, the fight itself was a little sad to watch. >.>

So Hiei could have some more tricks up his sleeve to topple Vegeta's SSJ4 stage especialy Hiei went Majin again after the Mikai arc.

Eh? What? Did you say Hiei went Majin again after the Makai arc, or that it *would* be cool if he did? Because he doesn't.

You're right - there are two times in the anime when he does that - once with Yusuke because he hadn't mastered the jagan yet and needed physical strength to do the trick - and the movie. The movie is almost a contradiction - his majin form is like reverting back to brute strength. That he uses that form to actually *increase* the kokoryuuha makes about as much sense as Vegeta not being able to survive in space when he could in the early episodes.

But there's the chance that he never uses his majin form because once he masters the jagan, using his majin form would be very dangerous for himself. The only problem is that if that were the case, surely he'd have done it to defeat Sensui - none of them were worried about dying during that fight. But he doesn't. And the movie takes place before the Makai arc, possibly before the Sensui arc (since Yusuke doesn't have a few certain 'attributes' to his power that he would have had if it took place after the Sensui saga - and Kurama didn't shift to youko in the movie). It doesn't make sense that Hiei wouldn't use his majin form during the Sensui battle - unless it's like Vegeta - they didn't want him to win because they had Yusuke (a Son) to do that.

Either way, I would have enjoyed seeing Hiei experiment more with his majin form - it's definitely cool (at least in the movie), and does seem to give him an entirely new range of 'powers'.

In a Vegeta/Hiei fight the real problem would be deciding if Hiei is likely to use that majin form when he never resorts to it willingly after he masters his jagan. You did notice that the moment he broke free of that Jaganshi's control - Hiei immediately shifted from Majin back to his normal form. Why? Why did he never do it except when someone else forced him to? I'm sure there's a reason - and it's the same reason he didn't use it when he was trying to kill Sensui. You'd have to know why that is before you can really factor it into a fight.

I think the chances of Hiei using his majin form are about as good as the chances of Babidi casting another 'majin' power boost on ssj4 Vegeta. ^_^; It would be cool to see, and would make the fight excellent - but I doubt it would happen.

Bebop0083 · Post by **Bebop0083** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 9:06 pm

yeah i meant it would be cool if he did Majin after the Mikai arc. unless his full Jagan powers are as strong as his Majin form and if the Majin form didnt increase his powers any. damn i really need to see the Sensui saga. hurry up Funi. but a Majin SSJ4 Vegeta vs Majin Hiei would be interesting to see as long as Son isnt there....