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Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:01 pm

And for Fantasia 2000:

Beethoven: Symphony #5 (1st Movement)
Respighi: Pines of Rome
Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue
Shostakovich: Piano Concerto #2, Allegro
Saint-Saëns: Carnival of the Animals, Finale
Dukas: The Sorceror's Apprentice (again)
Elgar: Pomp and Circumstance - Marches 1, 2, 3, and 4 (as arranged by Peter Schickele! whoo!)
Stravinsky: Firebird Suite - 1919 Version

Oh yeah, and here's something interesting about the Firebird segment:
"The downside is that Firebird had much of the edge taken off its imagery by Princess Mononoke (1997), which was released in English only two months before this was."
- http://www.roogulator.esmartweb.com/fan ... ia2000.htm

rose4emily · Post by **rose4emily** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:20 am

they made another one? wow - i was out of the loop on that. i'll have to rent it or something and put it along with "the wall", "dark side of the rainbow", "interstalla 5555" and the original "fantasia" on the list of awesome music movies that i've seen.

i do have an idea for the perfect version of bach's "toccata and fugue in d minor, bvw 565". it's a jazz arrangement by the jaques loussier trio that maintains all of the original music (mr. loussier is an incredible pianist), starts with a very traditional feel on the toccata (the part everyone heard on their televisions come halloween) - but moves into an amazingly smooth yet delicate groove for the fugue (the incredibly difficult to play but awesome to listen to portion). it is, in my opinion, much more listenable than an organ recording (which never lives up to the power and richness of a live church organ under skilled hands) and adds a lot of flexibility to the interperetation of the piece (the audience won't be dissapointed if there are no vampires or gothic castles). i'm working out a concept for the video now, but it could be a while before it's done as i need a little more practice with masking and alpha compositing before i can carry it out. for now i am testing my compositing technique with a video for bob dylan's "subterranian homesick blues" using mr. dylan on the right side of the screen, sumomo from chobits on the left, overlayed into dylan's orignal video, holding her little television panel which i have masked to show scenes working with the song's lyrics - so dylan holds the signs with the words and sumomo hold the screen with the scenes. it's a fun project, but a touch difficult because of the three-layered masking and quirky nature of cinelerra, the only full-featured video editor i could get to work on linux.

the nutcracker suite would go well with tutu. it's kind of like using a song from an anime's own soundtrack in an amv, but in this case the fit is just too good to pass up. (i do have to check, though, whether the entire nutcracker suite is used, or just one of the better-known songs like "dance of the sugar plum fairies" or the opening overture).

sorcerer's apprentice - not quite sure on that one, but one idea comes to mind. how about those little hampster things from excel saga? they come in large numbers, march around, look like they could have been cloned off of something, and seem somehow sinister and hard to control. i haven't seen excel saga (yet), but it seems like something along those lines would be great comic relief after a twenty minutes of bach and ballet.

night on bald mountain could probably work well with the "monster raven" scenes from tutu, or with the crimson scenes of destruction from evangelon (while, of course, avoiding the giant fighting robots - i somehow don't see how they'd fit). other ideas could certainly work well, but those are the two that come to mind.

don't have anything yet for the others, other than perhaps using the more peaceful portions of mononoke for the "rite of spring".

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:11 am

rose4emily wrote:night on bald mountain could probably work well with the "monster raven" scenes from tutu, or with the crimson scenes of destruction from evangelon (while, of course, avoiding the giant fighting robots - i somehow don't see how they'd fit). other ideas could certainly work well, but those are the two that come to mind.

Personally, I thought the scene where they used "Night on Bald Mountain" to go with a giant Mecha-Tama breaking loose and causing destruction in Love Hina was freakin' hilarious.

... of course, I thought the same thing about the scene where they used "Arima Souichirou I" to go with A.D. giving a depressed, despairing monologue in <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 084">"Road to Iron Chef"</a>...

rose4emily · Post by **rose4emily** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:29 am

hadn't thought of it that way - i guess giant fighting/city stomping robots would be perfect if comedy, instead of drama, was the desired effect. that could be hilarious.

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:39 am

While I like the idea of doing homage to Fantasia, who says we need to use the songs Disney used? The first Fantasia was brilliant in part because it was so original. (It was also brilliant because it dealt with many powerful mythological themes, such as the struggle of good and evil and the portrayal of time as a kind of dance.)

Fantasia 2000, on the other hand, though it used the latest animation technology and seemed very polished, also seemed very soulless and shallow. The only pieces in it that I thought were very good were its use of Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue with New Yorker caricatures (portraying the kind of romantic American myth I believe the composer intended for his music to portray) and its reuse of the Sorcerer's Apprentice story from the first Fantasia.

If we were actually to do an "Animasia" piece, we should be as original as the first Fantasia, and pick out songs Disney hasn't done yet. Then we should sort them according to their various themes, pick the ones which best portray their category's theme, and arrange them in an order which balances each theme against the others. We could, for example, start with something with no obvious plot which nevertheless has a very strong symbolism, and move on to something that still has no plot but is definitely intended to bring certain pictures and ideas to mind, and then on to a piece which has a very definite plot. Then we could show something done "just for laughs" and follow this with something very dark and serious. Finally, we could end the set with something bright and triumphant, and then roll some credits.

A full-length "fan movie" would be really amazing if we could pull it off. Given the material we already have available, it wouldn't be that hard to do. The only difficulty would lie in getting a narrator and setting him up with a camera and something impressive for a background. (We don't have a live orchestra and conductor for this as Fantasia did, unfortunately.) Maybe we could do a little creative work with a blue screen? It doesn't even have to be a real blue screen; just dress him in black, and set him against a brightly colored background.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:41 am

First, we need someone (preferably more than one) willing to head such a project. Then things can start.

rose4emily · Post by **rose4emily** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:16 pm

You know, the idea of this project has grown on me enough that I'd be willing to serve as coordinator. I have an FTP server running on my computer that is usually online and that I believe I can allow write permissions on, so I could use that as a place for the project clips to be collected, submitted, and distributed. I am a bit new to video editing in terms of time (I've been making AMVs for about a month) - but have made quite a few videos so far and learned from each one - and feel a few of mine are quite good. As an critic, however, I've been at it for a long time with both music and film, so I should be fairly well-qualified to direct the overall framework of the project and give participants advice on their individual sections. I do like the idea of using an original, or at least partially original selection of songs and setting up a "narrator" (though I think it might be interesting if someone really good with lip-syncing volunteered to make an animated narrator section out of a scene with somenone standing before a large screen or blackboard or some other object that I can mask to show sections of the main video through - the actual audio, of course, being a recording made just for the project describing the sections and the thought behind them).

I'll get to work on reconfiguring and testing my FTP server so I can take incoming files, and would like to make a request for posts with suggestions for classical or traditional asian music that can be used for the project.

I'll also get to work on combing through my own music collections in search of such pieces that really bring pictures to my mind.

Once we have decided on a set of music to choose from, work can begin on establishing the structure and order of the overall piece and assigning segments to people interested in working on them.

rose4emily · Post by **rose4emily** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:46 pm

Once I am set up to handle the project on a technical level, I will start a new and more clearly labeled thread in hopes of more people finding it. I will also set up a page on my website where I will post the latest information on and guidelines for the project.

On songs, there are a few that really stick out to me as possibilities:

Debussy - Reverie (I think this one would work beautifully with Haibane Renmei, and claim it for myself)
Chopin - Raindrop Prelude
Saint-Saens - Aquarium (from Carnival, a beautiful and flowing orchestral piece)

That's what I have so far.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:13 pm

rose4emily wrote:Saint-Saens - Aquarium (from Carnival, a beautiful and flowing orchestral piece)

YES

(If anyone's ever been to Epcot (formerly EPCOT Center) at Walt Disney World and seen the film Impressions de France, this is the second piece used in the film, after Debussy's flute solo "Syrinx". However, my family always hears it and thinks Disney used it for the prologue of Beauty and the Beast, even though the two songs are different...)

rose4emily · Post by **rose4emily** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:20 pm

oddly enough - that's where i first heard the song.

i just loved it so much that after the show i went and asked one of the nice ladies working there what it was, and sure enough, "aquarium".

it's kinda of funny to know that someone else noticed it in the same show at the same place. one of those "small world" things to continue the disney theme.