Souls inside the Evas

Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Tue May 04, 2004 8:31 am

yeh, i think Anno was just going a little bit too deep there this time

Giver-of-Will · Post by **Giver-of-Will** » Tue May 04, 2004 5:12 pm

What i don't get is if they could make eva's without souls, why the hell did they use 14 year old kids using evas with souls instead of using grownups using soulless evas? Which means that that the theories bullshit

HeartbreakerByZep · Post by **HeartbreakerByZep** » Tue May 04, 2004 6:35 pm

(May contain spoilers)

Well there is a very solid reason that they'd do that, not that I'm saying the theory is right, but it's not debunked by that. The simple reason why they'd use souled Evas with kids opposed to souled adults with soulless Evas is about control. The Evangelions are the ultimate weapon in the Evangelion world, some righteous guy in an Evangelion (with complete control mind you, since the EVA has no soul) could take over a whole country, it's not like conventional weapons are going to destroy an Evangelion. Like someone said in one of the episodes (I think it was Misato and Ritsuko, but for some reason I have a hard time remmebering who was talking to who between these two) "Exclusive control of three Evangelions, you could take over the world if you wanted to." A bunch of adolescant kids are far easier to control and manipulate than fully grown adults. Plus, with a soulless Evangelion, ANYONE can manipulate them. Most people beleive that Ikari Yui sacrificed herself into Eva 01 like she did to keep herself and Eva 01 out of Seele's reach. If just anyone can pilot an Evangelion then you don't have your controlable kids to further your agenda, you've got all sorts of problems on your hand regarding manipulation and agendas.

Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Wed May 05, 2004 2:43 pm

HeartbreakerByZep wrote:Most people beleive that Ikari Yui sacrificed herself into Eva 01 like she did to keep herself and Eva 01 out of Seele's reach. If just anyone can pilot an Evangelion then you don't have your controlable kids to further your agenda, you've got all sorts of problems on your hand regarding manipulation and agendas.

that sounds about right to me (what doesn't sound 'right' to me

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but about the Yui sacrifice part, i'd like to know more about this theory, i don't believe it right now, but i'd like to hear the reasoning behind it anyways

i believed that Yui was the first/test pilot/subject for evangelion unit 01, and that the eva simply swallowed her up much like unit 01 almost completely swallowed Shinji during the 400% syncronization just because she was the initial contact for the Eva. i kinda think of it like what a person would do if they had just woken up from a deep slumber, they'd inhale deeply, but this time, when eva unit 01 woke up/activated, it inhaled Yui, lol
later in the series, unit 01 attempts to absorb shinji, but i don't think it was like it was trying to eat shinji, more like it was trying to become one with the whiny little momma's boy in order to protect him/herself

Misato wrote:Exclusive control of 4 Evas, if you wanted to, you could take over the world. [smirk]

during the activation test of unit 03 with pilot Suzuhara, Ritsuko tells Misato to cheer up because if the activation goes well, the eva will be assigned to her detachment (is 'detachment' the right word?... maybe ranks would work better, hmmmm)

HeartbreakerByZep · Post by **HeartbreakerByZep** » Wed May 05, 2004 6:18 pm

Ah, that is a great qoute, thanks.

As for the Yui absorption theory, as we all know anything having to do with this subject is debated widely, at best (Rei's creation, anyone?). But I do beleive the evidence, or atleast some of the evidence, for the hypothesis that Yui allowed herself to be absorbed into EVA for her purposes (either to keep her from Seele's gun, have a hand in the Third Impact, or both, or something else) is the conversation she has with Fuyutsuki in the flashback episode. I don't remember any of it directly, but if you look at it again I think it's suposed to include Yui suggesting that she won't live much longer because Seele doesn't need her. If I remember correctly the discussion that some people where having about it, her speech may have had some double meanings, or possibly 'dramatic-irony'.

Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Wed May 05, 2004 6:41 pm

yeah, i think i remember Yui saying stuff along those lines

as for Rei's creation, i guess Gendo definately put forth the funding (probably from Seele's pocket-book) and most likely convinced Seele that an artificial pilot with a connection to the creator of project E would be useful, so Seele backed his project to create a pilot, and Gendo used Yui's DNA as the source in order to use someone that had a connection to the Eva, since the Eva responded to Yui (absorbed), that might mean that the eva would respond to Rei too, also since Gendo's such a control freak, it's possible (not probable) that he wanted an easier version of Yui to control... but that theory wouldn't fly very far

it's too much of an elaborate scheme to create a clone of yui to initiate a 3rd impact in order to join yourself with the original Yui in a big pool of primordial soup to be together forever... he could have just bought the original Yui some flowers to say 'i love you' or sumtin like that... was i going somewhere with this?... oh yeah, REI'S THE LOVE-CHILD OF YUI AND LILLITH!!

HeartbreakerByZep · Post by **HeartbreakerByZep** » Wed May 05, 2004 6:55 pm

Ah... Rei's creation... I've never once had a thread of sense in this debate.

As for Gendou's motives, I wouldn't at all be suprised if he'd make Rei to eventually get Yui back. He had Adam in his hand, so he was obviously thinking ahead.

But as for Rei's actual creation, it sorta gives me a headache. The thing is that a lot of people beleive that Rei was created... differnet ways. One suggestion is that she is in affect a byproduct of the artificial Lilith impregnation that resulted in the creation of Evangelion 01, or rather, a byproduct of the contact expirement between 01 and Yui while 01 was still attached to momma Lilith. Or atleast that's how I remember it, I don't know if that's exactly the theory. It's also said that Rei was created a year after the contact experiment, and had her growth increased. And other stuff like that... I've never understood it for squat, so I think I'll just stick to my fanboyish assumptions and say that Rei was genetically engineered to be awesome.

Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Wed May 05, 2004 7:16 pm

agreed... Rei was made to be awesome.. and caring

but the motive for her creation seems pretty clear to me, in EoE, Gendo tells Rei right before he joins Adam into her

Gendo wrote:Take me to my Yui

so i think it's clear that's what she's for, joining Gendo and Yui together again through instrumentality... beyond that... i wouldn't know

Giver-of-Will · Post by **Giver-of-Will** » Wed May 05, 2004 7:55 pm

HeartbreakerByZep wrote:(May contain spoilers)

Well there is a very solid reason that they'd do that, not that I'm saying the theory is right, but it's not debunked by that. The simple reason why they'd use souled Evas with kids opposed to souled adults with soulless Evas is about control. The Evangelions are the ultimate weapon in the Evangelion world, some righteous guy in an Evangelion (with complete control mind you, since the EVA has no soul) could take over a whole country, it's not like conventional weapons are going to destroy an Evangelion. Like someone said in one of the episodes (I think it was Misato and Ritsuko, but for some reason I have a hard time remmebering who was talking to who between these two) "Exclusive control of three Evangelions, you could take over the world if you wanted to." A bunch of adolescant kids are far easier to control and manipulate than fully grown adults. Plus, with a soulless Evangelion, ANYONE can manipulate them. Most people beleive that Ikari Yui sacrificed herself into Eva 01 like she did to keep herself and Eva 01 out of Seele's reach. If just anyone can pilot an Evangelion then you don't have your controlable kids to further your agenda, you've got all sorts of problems on your hand regarding manipulation and agendas.

Those are all good points, but. . .theres the power issue. Its not like evas have enough battery power to take over the world. As for the beserk thing, yah that could happen, but everyone in NERV was totally shocked when it went beserk, which means they obviously didn't expect something like that to happen. I imagine it has something to do with the fact they were all born after 2nd impact. Also, its not hard to find 3 people to brainwash.

Giver-of-Will · Post by **Giver-of-Will** » Wed May 05, 2004 8:11 pm

Daio Kaji wrote:agreed... Rei was made to be awesome.. and caring

but the motive for her creation seems pretty clear to me, in EoE, Gendo tells Rei right before he joins Adam into her
Gendo wrote:Take me to my Yui
so i think it's clear that's what she's for, joining Gendo and Yui together again through instrumentality... beyond that... i wouldn't know

I think I may have an answer for that. Most of my eva pondering has been done individually, so I theres any holes, someone tell me. It occured to me when I was watching the directors cut of episode 24. Kaoru was talking with Seele and I forget the verbatim, but it was to the effect that gendo is like kaoru: he is adam. (hint hint wrist fusion). Anyway, it struck me a while later watching EOE that he would be the new adam, and would use Rei to somehow make Yui inside of Lilith. That way, they could both escape third impact (both now angels), and live out their days forever. The only problem I found with this theory is well, why wait for third impact? Anyway, thats just my 2 cents.